The Trump Pandemic

[NineBerry]

If your sources can't differentiate between Lieber and Leiber, I wouldn't trust them

[Brian Peacock]

Somehow Cunt thinks this guy is responsible for the pandemic.

[Cunt]

If your sources can't differentiate between Lieber and Leiber, I wouldn't trust them

The spelling doesn't matter, so I can see why you would comment on that element. Very bold criticism, on your part.

I'm obviously ill-informed.

[Hermit]

Who's Leiber. I guess I don't want to know.

Harvard professor Fritz Lieber (note the spelling, Daggles) was arrested for failure to declare significant foreign financial conflicts of interest, including financial support from foreign governments or foreign entities. Specifically that Under the terms of Lieber’s three-year Thousand Talents contract, Wuhan University of Technology paid Lieber $50,000 USD per month, living expenses of up to 1,000,000 Chinese Yuan (approximately $158,000 USD at the time) and awarded him more than $1.5 million to establish a research lab at WUT. The payments are of course not motivated by selfless generosity. China wants something in return, and the quid quo pro is undoubtedly of significantly larger magnitude than the payment he receives. A $600,000 annual salary can only be described as an ill-disguised bribe.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard- ... na-related

[Cunt]

Who's Leiber. I guess I don't want to know.

Harvard professor Fritz Lieber (note the spelling, Daggles) was arrested for failure to declare significant foreign financial conflicts of interest, including financial support from foreign governments or foreign entities. Specifically that Under the terms of Lieber’s three-year Thousand Talents contract, Wuhan University of Technology paid Lieber $50,000 USD per month, living expenses of up to 1,000,000 Chinese Yuan (approximately $158,000 USD at the time) and awarded him more than $1.5 million to establish a research lab at WUT. The payments are of course not motivated by selfless generosity. China wants something in return, and the quid quo pro is undoubtedly of significantly larger magnitude than the payment he receives. A $600,000 annual salary can only be described as an ill-disguised bribe.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard- ... na-related

I don't care about the spelling. I'm entertained by the story, and can look up indictments and stuff if it becomes relevant.

It's funny shit that NB just 'doesn't want to know'.

I thought there was more recent activity, but no matter.

What do you make of it? I like the 'good science, bad execution' theory, where a poorly managed lab was trying to do good work, but leaked something. Most of the other theories are a bit too paranoid for my taste. The 'wet market' theory (that the virus originated in them) seems a bit 'un-serious' since there are still so many operating.

[NineBerry]

Fritz? It's Charles.

I don't see what's so fascinating. Just because it's related to Wuhan. Wuhan is a city the size of a small country. Coincidences are coincidences.

China doesn't shutdown wet markets for the same reasons the US doesn't shutdown gun stores. Despite major tragedies arising there.

[Cunt]

Fritz? It's Charles.

I don't see what's so fascinating. Just because it's related to Wuhan. Wuhan is a city the size of a small country. Coincidences are coincidences.

China doesn't shutdown wet markets for the same reasons the US doesn't shutdown gun stores. Despite major tragedies arising there.

It's not because it's related to Wuhan. It's because it's the only 'level 4 biolab' China has. The coincidence is that scientists from the lab have had involvement in the bat research, but you can't get those bats to eat at the wet market, or so the story goes.

Rebel news reported on some bat research going on right there, and failing to find any evidence of those bats being in that wet market. I don't trust them much more than CNN, and don't know how to check it. There are lots of comments across sketchy news articles about bat research connections/quarantines/accidents associated with that lab. Frankly, I don't know how to check anything out around it, excepte to bear in mind that national interests are a confounding factor.

[Tero]

I found that conspiracies have a high likelihood of being made up. Unless Trump and some money is involved. Or perhaps hydroxy-chloroquin.

[Cunt]

I found that conspiracies have a high likelihood of being made up. Unless Trump and some money is involved. Or perhaps hydroxy-chloroquin.

So what are doctors saying about Trump's chloroquine? Does it work to clean aquariums as well as he claimed?

I mean, if someone surveyed thousands of doctors around the world who used it to treat patients with covid19, what would they say was working?

[Hermit]

What do you make of it?

Lieber received funds amounting to $15 million from the US Department of Defence as well as the National Institutes of Health. Because of this he had a legal obligation to declare all other sources of money he was receiving. He intentionally withheld information regarding payment of a salary amounting to $50,000 USD per month between 2012 and 2017, $158,000 for living expenses and $1.5 million funding for a laboratory at the Wuhan University of Technology under the auspices of China's Thousand Talents Plan.

Such amounts cannot be something one might simply forget to mention when filling in disclosure reports. He was rightfully arrested and with charged with making a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement. The amounts he was paid look nothing less than bribery. I think the professor's next project will be an intensive study of jail cell walls for a few years.

I like the 'good science, bad execution' theory, where a poorly managed lab was trying to do good work, but leaked something.

This does not surprise me.

[Cunt]

What do you make of it?

Lieber received funds amounting to $15 million from the US Department of Defence as well as the National Institutes of Health. Because of this he had a legal obligation to declare all other sources of money he was receiving. He intentionally withheld information regarding payment of a salary amounting to $50,000 USD per month between 2012 and 2017, $158,000 for living expenses and $1.5 million funding for a laboratory at the Wuhan University of Technology under the auspices of China's Thousand Talents Plan.

Such amounts cannot be something one might simply forget to mention when filling in disclosure reports. He was rightfully arrested and with charged with making a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement. The amounts he was paid look nothing less than bribery. I think the professor's next project will be an intensive study of jail cell walls for a few years.

I like the 'good science, bad execution' theory, where a poorly managed lab was trying to do good work, but leaked something.

This does not surprise me.

Oh? Do you have a favourite theory about what happened? I don't think another rings more likely, but would listen if you thought you had one.

[Hermit]

What do you make of it?

Lieber received funds amounting to $15 million from the US Department of Defence as well as the National Institutes of Health. Because of this he had a legal obligation to declare all other sources of money he was receiving. He intentionally withheld information regarding payment of a salary amounting to $50,000 USD per month between 2012 and 2017, $158,000 for living expenses and $1.5 million funding for a laboratory at the Wuhan University of Technology under the auspices of China's Thousand Talents Plan.

Such amounts cannot be something one might simply forget to mention when filling in disclosure reports. He was rightfully arrested and with charged with making a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement. The amounts he was paid look nothing less than bribery. I think the professor's next project will be an intensive study of jail cell walls for a few years.

I like the 'good science, bad execution' theory, where a poorly managed lab was trying to do good work, but leaked something.

This does not surprise me.

Oh? Do you have a favourite theory about what happened? I don't think another rings more likely, but would listen if you thought you had one.

Oh. Are you suggesting a connection between Charles (thank you, NineBerry) Lieber and the Covid-19 virus? I don't see one.

[Cunt]

What do you make of it?

Lieber received funds amounting to $15 million from the US Department of Defence as well as the National Institutes of Health. Because of this he had a legal obligation to declare all other sources of money he was receiving. He intentionally withheld information regarding payment of a salary amounting to $50,000 USD per month between 2012 and 2017, $158,000 for living expenses and $1.5 million funding for a laboratory at the Wuhan University of Technology under the auspices of China's Thousand Talents Plan.

Such amounts cannot be something one might simply forget to mention when filling in disclosure reports. He was rightfully arrested and with charged with making a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement. The amounts he was paid look nothing less than bribery. I think the professor's next project will be an intensive study of jail cell walls for a few years.

I like the 'good science, bad execution' theory, where a poorly managed lab was trying to do good work, but leaked something.

This does not surprise me.

Oh? Do you have a favourite theory about what happened? I don't think another rings more likely, but would listen if you thought you had one.

Oh. Are you suggesting a connection between Charles (thank you, NineBerry) Lieber and the Covid-19 virus? I don't see one.

The virus was first detected a few hundred meters from the only (official) level 4 bio lab in China. The one connected to your Charles via dirty money.

I didn't suggest the connection, as much as noticed it.

[Hermit]

Oh. Are you suggesting a connection between Charles (thank you, NineBerry) Lieber and the Covid-19 virus? I don't see one.

The virus was first detected a few hundred meters from the only (official) level 4 bio lab in China. The one connected to your Charles via dirty money.

I didn't suggest the connection, as much as noticed it.

You're not suggesting a connection, but you noticed one? What is it? The proximity of the market place to the laboratory set up for Charles Lieber? If so, you're confusing "connection" with "coincidence".

[rainbow]

The virus was first detected a few hundred meters from the only (official) level 4 bio lab in China.

I think you are talking from your smelly orifice.

...but please feel free to tell me I'm wrong.