The Trump Pandemic

[NineBerry]

FDA has approved it for corona virus use. Trump never said it cured corona virus, he said it "showed promise". If it didn't the FDA would not have approved it. Hence, he was correct and the Democratic governors were wrong.

http://www.newsweek.com/fda-says-hydrox ... us-1494925

Yeah, they approved it as "Emergency Use" which means that they don't know whether it will work or not. Probably because of political pressure. As I said there are dozens of possible medications that are probably having some effect.

[Cunt]

It was used to treat malaria victims, so there is plenty of reason for doctors to want to try it.

Which studies have you reviewed about it's early results when used to abate symptoms of Covid19?

Or are you just going to stand opposed to it's use because Trump said it?

[NineBerry]

It was used to treat malaria victims, so there is plenty of reason for doctors to want to try it.

Which studies have you reviewed about it's early results when used to abate symptoms of Covid19?

Or are you just going to stand opposed to it's use because Trump said it?

Malaria is a bacterial disease. There are no studies, just anecdotal stories. I am not opposed to it. It should be studied like all the other possible medications. I am opposed to a head of state claiming one drug was a miracle cure without having any evidence to back that up.

[Seabass]

It was used to treat malaria victims, so there is plenty of reason for doctors to want to try it.

Which studies have you reviewed about it's early results when used to abate symptoms of Covid19?

Or are you just going to stand opposed to it's use because Trump said it?

Malaria is a bacterial disease. There are no studies, just anecdotal stories. I am not opposed to it. It should be studied like all the other possible medications. I am opposed to a head of state claiming one drug was a miracle cure without having any evidence to back that up.

[Tero]

It has yet to be proven than chloroquin analogs saved even one patient from dying. They won't run blind studies now, and the there is no animal model to test the drugs for this virus.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/05/cor ... 9-studies/

[Seabass]

Naturally, We Now Have a Cottage Industry of Coronavirus Truther Assholes

Right-wing figures eager to downplay the coronavirus pandemic’s death toll have hit on a new idea: filming quiet hospital parking lots.

Over the weekend, a growing number of pro-Trump personalities decided that the way to prove that the media was overhyping the pandemic was to film places where cars and ambulances show up to drop patients off. If the entrances were quiet and the parking lots mostly empty, they claimed, that was proof that the coronavirus’ effects had been overstated. Inspired by the #FilmYourHospital hashtag, which trended on Twitter and was originally started by a QAnon conspiracy theorist, people across the country started filming hospitals.

The trend appears to have started with former Fox News radio host Todd Starnes, who wrote a column Friday downplaying New York City’s coronavirus outbreak. As proof, Starnes cited a brief trip to two hospitals, claiming that he didn’t see evidence of the coronavirus from outside the buildings.

“I personally visited two hospitals in Brooklyn and did not seen (sic) any unusual traffic,” Starnes wrote.

Starnes, who lost his Fox radio show last year after standing by as one of his guests claimed that Democrats pray to a demon god named Moloch, followed up on Saturday with a video of a quiet hospital entrance, which has been viewed more than 1 million times on Twitter.

“This is what it’s like in reality,” Starnes said. “Very quiet, very calm out here. Not much going on at all.”

... https://www.thedailybeast.com/naturally ... r-assholes

[laklak]

Starnes, jesus there's a fucking asshole. I used to troll the hell out of him of Fox.

[NineBerry]

It has yet to be proven than chloroquin analogs saved even one patient from dying. They won't run blind studies now, and the there is no animal model to test the drugs for this virus.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/05/cor ... 9-studies/

Double blind clinical trials are currently being performed in several European countries. For the Trump miracle drug and multiple other drugs.

[Seabass]

Uh-oh. The Boston Globe has TDS.

A president unfit for a pandemic
Much of the suffering and death coming was preventable. The president has blood on his hands.

“Things fall apart; the center cannot hold,” wrote W.B. Yeats in 1919. A century later, it’s clear: The epicenter cannot hold. Catastrophic decisions in the White House have doomed the world’s richest country to a season of untold suffering.

The United States, long a beacon of scientific progress and medical innovation with its world-class research institutions and hospitals, is now the hub of a global pandemic that has infected at least 745,000 people and already claimed more than 35,000 lives worldwide. Now that the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the United States — more than 140,000 — has surpassed that of any other nation, Americans are consigned for the coming weeks to watching the illness fell family members and friends, and to fearing for their own fate as they watch death tolls rise.

While the spread of the novel coronavirus has been aggressive around the world, much of the profound impact it will have here in the United States was preventable. As the American public braces itself for the worst of this crisis, it’s worth remembering that the reach of the virus here is not attributable to an act of God or a foreign invasion, but a colossal failure of leadership.

The outbreak that began in China demanded a White House that could act swiftly and competently to protect public health, informed by science and guided by compassion and public service. It required an administration that could quickly deploy reliable tests around the nation to isolate cases and trace and contain the virus’s spread, as South Korea effectively did, as well as to manufacture and distribute scarce medical supplies around the country. It begged for a president of the United States to deliver clear, consistent, scientifically sound messages on the state of the epidemic and its solutions, to reassure the public amid their fear, and to provide steady guidance to cities and states. And it demanded a leader who would put the country’s well-being first, above near-term stock market returns and his own reelection prospects, and who would work with other nations to stem the tide of COVID-19 cases around the world.

What we have instead is a president epically outmatched by a global pandemic. A president who in late January, when the first confirmed coronavirus case was announced in the United States, downplayed the risk and insisted all was under control. A president who, rather than aggressively test all those exposed to the virus, said he’d prefer not to bring ashore passengers on a contaminated cruise ship so as to keep national case numbers (artificially) low. A president who, consistent with his mistrust and undermining of scientific fact, has misled the public about unproven cures for COVID-19, and who baited-and-switched last week about whether the country ought to end social distancing to open up by Easter, and then, on Saturday, about whether he’d impose a quarantine on New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut. A president who has pledged to oversee the doling out of the $500 billion in corporate bailout money in the latest stimulus package, some of which will go to the travel industry in which his family is invested. A president who spent a good chunk of a recent press conference complaining about how hard it is for a rich man to serve in the White House even as Americans had already begun to lose their jobs, their health care, and their lives. A president who has reinforced racial stigma by calling the contagion a “Chinese virus” and failed to collaborate adequately with other countries to contain their outbreaks and study the disease. A president who evades responsibility and refuses to acknowledge, let alone own, the bitter truth of National Institutes of Health scientist Dr. Anthony Fauci’s testimony: that the country’s testing rollout was “a failing.”

Timing is everything in pandemic response: It can make the difference between a contained local outbreak that endures a few weeks and an uncontrollable contagion that afflicts millions. The Trump administration has made critical errors over the past two months, choosing early on to develop its own diagnostic test, which failed, instead of adopting the World Health Organization’s test — a move that kneecapped the US coronavirus response and, by most public health experts’ estimation, will cost thousands if not hundreds of thousands of American lives. Rather than making the expected federal effort to mobilize rapidly to distribute needed gowns, masks, and ventilators to ill-equipped hospitals and to the doctors and nurses around the country who are left unprotected treating a burgeoning number of patients, the administration has instead been caught outbidding individual states (including Massachusetts) trying to purchase medical supplies. It has dragged its heels on invoking the Defense Production Act to get scarce, sorely needed ventilators and masks into production so that they can be distributed to hospitals nationwide as they hit their peaks in the cycle of the epidemic. It has left governors and mayors in the lurch, begging for help. The months the administration wasted with prevarication about the threat and its subsequent missteps will amount to exponentially more COVID-19 cases than were necessary. In other words, the president has blood on his hands.

... https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/30/ ... -pandemic/

[Cunt]

It was used to treat malaria victims, so there is plenty of reason for doctors to want to try it.

Which studies have you reviewed about it's early results when used to abate symptoms of Covid19?

Or are you just going to stand opposed to it's use because Trump said it?

Malaria is a bacterial disease. There are no studies, just anecdotal stories. I am not opposed to it. It should be studied like all the other possible medications. I am opposed to a head of state claiming one drug was a miracle cure without having any evidence to back that up.

Which head of state said that?

Or are you repeating 'anti-Trump' rhetoric?

[Brian Peacock]

It was used to treat malaria victims, so there is plenty of reason for doctors to want to try it.

Which studies have you reviewed about it's early results when used to abate symptoms of Covid19?

Or are you just going to stand opposed to it's use because Trump said it?

Malaria is a bacterial disease. There are no studies, just anecdotal stories. I am not opposed to it. It should be studied like all the other possible medications. I am opposed to a head of state claiming one drug was a miracle cure without having any evidence to back that up.

...The preferred reporting items for systematic reviews and meta-analyses (PRISMA) guidelines were used for this review. A literature search was performed using PUBMED & Google Scholar to find articles about the role of CQ in COVID-19 patients. Results: We included 19 publications (Five published articles, three letters/correspondence, one commentary, five pre-proofs of accepted articles, one abstract of yet to be published article, and four were pre-prints (not yet peer-reviewed) articles) in this systematic review. All the articles mentioned about the role of chloroquine and /or hydroxychloroquine in limiting the infection with SARS-CoV-2 (the virus causing COVID-19). Conclusions: There is theoretical, experimental, preclinical and clinical evidence of the effectiveness of chloroquine in patients affected with COVID-19. There is adequate evidence of drug safety from the long-time clinical use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine in other indications...

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20042366v1

[L'Emmerdeur]

Not at all. I just pointed out that more is needed to understand the situation, and that it may not be possible to link Trump directly to some of the failures.

But I'm done beating this horse for now.

I agree with what you say. Trump's inevitable ham-handed, dishonest, militantly ignorant, self-centered, and incompetent approach to his duties as president has been a significant part of the poor handling of the US response to the pandemic, but he's by no means the only element in the cluster-fuck.

[Brian Peacock]

There is no optimal response here - merely options with better or worse outcomes.

[NineBerry]

It was used to treat malaria victims, so there is plenty of reason for doctors to want to try it.

Which studies have you reviewed about it's early results when used to abate symptoms of Covid19?

Or are you just going to stand opposed to it's use because Trump said it?

Malaria is a bacterial disease. There are no studies, just anecdotal stories. I am not opposed to it. It should be studied like all the other possible medications. I am opposed to a head of state claiming one drug was a miracle cure without having any evidence to back that up.

Which head of state said that?

Or are you repeating 'anti-Trump' rhetoric?

I saw the press conference with my own eyes

[NineBerry]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20042366v1

This article is a preprint and has not been certified by peer review [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.

So, nothing relevant. If you Google the two authors, one is a plastic surgeon, the other is unknown