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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:22 pm

Why engage when a tangential leading question will suffice? :tea:
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Cunt » Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:31 pm

Hermit wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:10 pm

:lol:
Your answer is curiously similar to the director of the W.H.O. when asked about Taiwan.

(well, he had less humour...just pretended not to hear the question, then hung up...)
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Tero » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:32 pm

Asshole president refuses Obamacare to those who lost jobs due to virus. Florida governor intends to kill 50 000 Trump voters.
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Cunt » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:40 pm

Trump is clearly at fault for this article...

From Yahoo, more reason to think there is more blame to someone else, than to Trump.

https://news.yahoo.com/suspected-sars-v ... 26820.html
WASHINGTON — In late November 2018, just over a year before the first coronavirus case was identified in Wuhan, China, U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents at Detroit Metro Airport stopped a Chinese biologist with three vials labeled “Antibodies” in his luggage.

The biologist told the agents that a colleague in China had asked him to deliver the vials to a researcher at a U.S. institute. After examining the vials, however, customs agents came to an alarming conclusion.

“Inspection of the writing on the vials and the stated recipient led inspection personnel to believe the materials contained within the vials may be viable Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) materials,” says an unclassified FBI tactical intelligence report obtained by Yahoo News.
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Sean Hayden » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:14 pm

I've never defended Trump's response. That my criticism of anyone's exaggeration of his role in this crisis is seen as a defense just proves my point: your obsession is clouding your judgment.

A good analogy might be with gun nuts. What is Covid-19 to a gun nut? What is any crisis to a gun nut? :tea:

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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Cunt » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:21 pm

I like how he has used private business, and removing FDA regulations, to speed along the effort at developing testing methods and manufacturing masks etc.
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Seabass » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:38 pm

Tero wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:32 pm
Asshole president refuses Obamacare to those who lost jobs due to virus. Florida governor intends to kill 50 000 Trump voters.
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No need for Mini-Trump DeSantis to implement statewide restrictions when he can just blame New Yorkers instead...
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Seabass » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:43 pm

Sean Hayden wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:14 pm
I've never defended Trump's response. That my criticism of anyone's exaggeration of his role in this crisis is seen as a defense just proves my point: your obsession is clouding your judgment.

A good analogy might be with gun nuts. What is Covid-19 to a gun nut? What is any crisis to a gun nut? :tea:

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Hermit's graph: I'm just thrilled you understand me. :lol:
Reminds me of the '30s and '40s when the world was totally obsessed with Hitler. Why couldn't everyone just let him get on with his bad self? So many obsessives exaggerated his role in WWII and the holocaust. I mean, it's not like he personally annexed the Sudetenland or liquidated any Jews... :dunno:
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Tero » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:45 pm

Cunt wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:21 pm
I like how he has used private business, and removing FDA regulations, to speed along the effort at developing testing methods and manufacturing masks etc.
FDA is still involved. You can't have every snake oil dealer peddling chloroquin.

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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Sean Hayden » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:50 pm

Seabass wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:43 pm
Sean Hayden wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:14 pm
I've never defended Trump's response. That my criticism of anyone's exaggeration of his role in this crisis is seen as a defense just proves my point: your obsession is clouding your judgment.

A good analogy might be with gun nuts. What is Covid-19 to a gun nut? What is any crisis to a gun nut? :tea:

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Hermit's graph: I'm just thrilled you understand me. :lol:
Reminds me of the '30s and '40s when the world was totally obsessed with Hitler. Why couldn't everyone just let him get on with his bad self? So many obsessives exaggerated his role in WWII and the holocaust. I mean, it's not like he personally annexed the Sudetenland or liquidated any Jews... :dunno:
:lol: I've been Hitlered!

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A real ethnic cleansing is happening today if you're actually interested in stopping that sort of thing. You'll have to think about something other than Trump though.
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Seabass » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:57 pm

Oh? Is there a fake ethnic cleansing happening somewhere in the world?
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Cunt » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:57 pm

Tero wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:45 pm
Cunt wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:21 pm
I like how he has used private business, and removing FDA regulations, to speed along the effort at developing testing methods and manufacturing masks etc.
FDA is still involved. You can't have every snake oil dealer peddling chloroquin.
Dangerous business, peddling chloroquin...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cana ... SKBN1FF2G2
Canadian pharmaceutical billionaire couple Barry and Honey Sherman were murdered in a targeted killing, Toronto police investigators said on Friday in their first detailed comments on the case since the couple’s bodies were found on Dec. 15
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Sean Hayden » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:00 pm

Seabass wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:57 pm
Oh? Is there a fake ethnic cleansing happening somewhere in the world?
:nono:
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Cunt » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:03 pm

Sean Hayden wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:00 pm
Seabass wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:57 pm
Oh? Is there a fake ethnic cleansing happening somewhere in the world?
:nono:
No-one in the NBA is allowed to talk trash about China. (NBA was a big sports league, back in the day)

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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Seabass » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:15 pm

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... rnors-call
Leaked audio suggests Trump is in denial about the coronavirus testing problem

Governors and public health officials — including those on President Donald Trump’s coronavirus task force — have spoken often about difficulties finding and processing Covid-19 tests. In a call with governors Monday, however, Trump said he has not heard about these issues.

In audio of the call published by CBS News, Montana Gov. Steve Bullock (D) details two problems with testing. First, that his state doesn’t have enough tests, saying “we’re one day away if we don’t get test kits from the CDC that we wouldn’t be able to do testing.” And second, that the federal government has depleted the tests available on the private market.

These are known issues, and are problems the Trump administration has been repeatedly criticized for not working harder to solve. But Trump respond to Bullock’s concerns by saying, “I haven’t heard about testing in weeks. We’ve tested more now than any nation in the world. We’ve got these great tests, and we’ll come out with another one tomorrow, that’s almost instantaneous testing. But I haven’t heard about testing being a problem.”

It is true that testing capacity has ramped up in recent weeks, and that the FDA approved a new test from Abbott Laboratories that can deliver results in as little as five minutes. But testing does remain a problem, and one a number of governors have been vocal about. Monday, for example, Govs. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan (D) and Larry Hogan of Maryland (R) published an op-ed in the Washington Post asking the federal government for more “test kits, medical supplies and other lifesaving equipment to meet the scope of this pandemic.”

Trump’s response to questions of testing typically mirrors the answer he gave Bullock — that the US is doing more testing than anyone else. And this, to a point, appears to be true. As of Saturday, Adm. Brett Giroir, coronavirus task force member and assistant secretary for health at the Department of Health and Human Services, said the US had done 894,000 tests.

But while that is a large number, the number of tests done per capita is much smaller: According to the Washington Post, the US had conducted 2,250 tests per million people by March 28, a figure roughly two-thirds of the per capita testing rate South Korea achieved three weeks earlier.

[...]

My colleague Alex Ward has outlined one way to help ramp up production: Trump could invoke the Defense Production Act, which would allow the federal government to direct private companies to make the tests and other essential material like ventilators and masks. Trump has been hesitant to commit to that thus far — and certainly can’t be swayed to change his mind on the matter until he comes to understand the importance of the testing problem.
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