All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:21 am

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As to the 'complex science issues', do you know what the Weinstein brothers criticized the peer review process for?

Or are you still blindly trusting of the phrase?
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I'll trust actual scientists, who put their name on their work, over JimC and his emoticons.
But you've told us many times that you don't trust them when it comes to environmental and climate science.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:45 am

I saw you seek out - very quickly - a way to 'gotcha' the guy. I didn't hear you talk about any of his ideas.

I didn't hear him suggest drinking the poison-du-jour, but can guess where that claim originated. Not what he said though. His ideas were interesting, and about his specialty.

Your ideas are about him, and probably still haven't heard Dr's Weinstein and Weinstein talk about their DICS theory, or their criticisms of scientific orthodoxy.

But no matter, I'll stick to listening to scientists, especially where they don't agree with politicians and the Hollywood glitterati.

You might convince me, or not. Since I'm not much of a scientist, your glory will be small. If, however, you dealt with a scientist (Moore, Weinstein or Weinstein) you could take a LOT more glory falsifying their ideas. Especially if you did it TO them. I bet you could get on The Portal - he brings in specialists from various fields to shoot the breeze. Sir Roger Penrose was sweet, smart but nearly incomprehensible around geometry (if THAT is what it is called) and more dimensions.

This wandered quite far from Trump and whether it is over. I'll check...

Second impeachment is cooking. It'll be over soon, hold tight.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:46 am

Oops...it's their 'DISC' theory...but I'll let it stand as DICS, because it's so close to Bollocks.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:44 am

It's not up to the layman to refute a scientific finding. That's what the peer review and publishing process is for.

Let's cut the crap. What this boils down to is what scientific orthodoxies you accept and what one's you don't due to your inherent biases. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. Your position is nonsensical.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:10 am

Barr is funnier than he ought to be. (job itself seems humourless)

perV, 'DISC' theory is a casual creation of a couple guys who are real scientists. Weinstein (Eric and Bret)

You could have looked into them by now, uneless it was too hard.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Hermit » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 am

Cunt wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:47 pm
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Other sources said his approval jumped.
I provided a link to the data I cited. It's from a site founded and run by former options trader John McIntyre and former advertising agency account executive Tom Bevan. Not, what you might call a left wing site. I could have also cited another news and poll aggregator, namely 538, but I did not because I know you would have alleged it suffers from left wing bias. (Incidentally, 538's respective numbers are 43.8 and 43.5% respectively, much the same trend, only a half-tone down.)

So, how about providing the link(s) to the site(s) you got your numbers from?
Because they were wrong. I was misled to think he was experiencing higher approval. You showed me he dropped by almost .2%

So why pick at it.
This is the first indication (to me) that you realise the assertion you made of trump's increased popularity since the republicans voted against impeaching him was wrong. Simply writing "Other sources said his approval jumped." does not on its own alert me to the possibility that you no longer believe in the truth of what you asserted earlier.

I still would like to see a link to where you got it from.
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Are you as rigorous with incorrect leftie sources?
Yes. I do not let my biases filter my scepticism. I do it the other way around. My scepticism is the boss of everything I read, hear and see. There is of course the danger of complacency. I am not immune to letting my guard down. I, like everybody else, tend to more readily accept something something as true without sceptical examination when I read something on a site that I have regularly found to make true statements. This makes sense because it saves time. It is also a mistake. Simply put, it is never guaranteed that any site that usually publishes accurate reports, always publishes accurate reports. Being aware this pitfall does not guarantee that I'll always manage to avoid it, but it reduces the number of times I do fall into one, and it enables me to more easily climb back out when I have fallen.

Example. I was enthusiastically in favour of Australia's 1996 gun control legislation when it was proposed. No more crazies singlehandely randomly killing up to 35 people in tourist resorts, shopping malls, churches or any other crowded locations. No more putting a bullet through your skull during a brief moment of abject depression. And it's a lot more difficult to kill someone with a cricket bat than a firearm, right? All stands to reason. Gun control will save a lot of lives.

In the years immediately following the enactment of the gun control laws articles sprouted all over the place, triumphantly reporting how murders and suicides by firearms have dropped by 65, 75, even 85%. Good news all around. Very good news. A drop of 65, 75, even 85%... seems... almost... too good to be true. I wondered if it is in fact true.


I decided to check with the Australian Bureau of Statistics. It has a ridiculously bad search facility, but eventually on can find the relevant data. But yes, in this case the data confirmed - more or less - what all those articles were crowing about. Murders and suicides by firearms had indeed dropped dramatically.

But what's this? Yes, overall murder had dropped, but in the years following the gun control legislation they had dropped at a rate indistinguishable from the rate they dropped before it. (The murder rate three years before it was actually the exact same as four years after, but I put that down to the small sample rate. Australia' population was under 18 million, and there were no more than 385 people murdered per year in the previous six years.) Worse, the suicide rate spiked and did not drop below the 1996 rate until 1999. The number of victims per year due to mass killings (defined as four deaths or more, excluding the perpetrator) did drop significantly, though mass killings, including at least one by firearm keep occurring. So, what happened?

To begin with, less than 25% of murders were committed using one before the gun control laws were implemented. (I attribute that to the fact that concealable firearms had been banned decades before the 1996 legislation.) More importantly, people who wanted to kill substituted other tools for the task. In the case of murder they were mostly knives. For suicide they were drugs and ropes. For mass killing they were arson and knives. Quoting the drop in deaths by firearm in order to claim the efficacy of gun control is dishonest. The available statistics indicate that the success of gun control laws in reducing the rate of murder deaths is debatable. For murder it is undetectable and for suicides it is actually counterfactual.

So, am I in favour of gun control? Yes. There is no place in civil societies for privately owned firearms specifically designed to kill humans. Military style rifles, large magazines and concealable firearms are - and should remain - banned. As for the 1996 legislation, I have emphatically changed my mind. Those laws are draconian and ineffective. Most of their provisions should be repealed.

N.B.: I don't want to start a debate about gun control in this thread, Daggles. I just wanted to provide an instance where my scepticism destroyed a dearly held conviction of mine.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:00 am

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:02 am

Hermit wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 am
Cunt wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:47 pm
Hermit wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:47 am
Cunt wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:14 am
Other sources said his approval jumped.
I provided a link to the data I cited. It's from a site founded and run by former options trader John McIntyre and former advertising agency account executive Tom Bevan. Not, what you might call a left wing site. I could have also cited another news and poll aggregator, namely 538, but I did not because I know you would have alleged it suffers from left wing bias. (Incidentally, 538's respective numbers are 43.8 and 43.5% respectively, much the same trend, only a half-tone down.)

So, how about providing the link(s) to the site(s) you got your numbers from?
Because they were wrong. I was misled to think he was experiencing higher approval. You showed me he dropped by almost .2%

So why pick at it.
This is the first indication (to me) that you realise the assertion you made of trump's increased popularity since the republicans voted against impeaching him was wrong. Simply writing "Other sources said his approval jumped." does not on its own alert me to the possibility that you no longer believe in the truth of what you asserted earlier.

I still would like to see a link to where you got it from.
I think instagram (dot com) but it could have been another meme space (minds, maybe?)

If I was good at memes, I could make a funny one out of this and 'the left can't meme' meme.

N.B.: I don't want to start a debate about gun control in this thread, Daggles. I just wanted to provide an instance where my scepticism destroyed a dearly held conviction of mine.
There really isn't any debate. From what I've seen, lots of folks who don't know anything about guns lobby for gun control, while they can easily afford armed security providing for them.

Did you check out those Weinsteins, and their critical discussion of the peer review process? I'm absolutely sure they are more qualified in science than you (even if you are highly qualified - there are TWO of the Weinsteins)

Of course, their ideas aren't in agreement with mainstream. I think you would like the 'all our mice are broken' story, if it is a dark and stormy night.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:04 am

Cunt wrote:Barr is funnier than he ought to be. (job itself seems humourless)

perV, 'DISC' theory is a casual creation of a couple guys who are real scientists. Weinstein (Eric and Bret)

You could have looked into them by now, uneless it was too hard.
I'm not going to bother finding out what that is given your forum MO of never bothering to post links to support your opinions.

But assuming it is something about the problems with the peer review process, I accept that some scientists have been reporting problems for quite a while now. But none of that changes the fact that you pick and choose which scientific facts you believe depending on your biases.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:07 am

I SURE won't disagree with you! Not after all your smart come-backs.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:13 am

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conviction of mine.
Tim Pool just covered a story about an individual in congress who google is censoring. The individual named a person (Tim called 'Voldemort' to avoid censorship) and the name is immediately removed from social media.

He explains a bit more clearly how having a corporation censoring political debate (government was IN session) but I just say fuck google (but still don't type out 'voldemorts' real name here because I don't want to cause problems for you)
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:17 am

Corporations censoring who they like is a libbo dream. You should be all for it. The alternative of course is socialism where the government sets standards and you can vote out those governments that censor stuff you don't want censored.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:20 am

pErvinalia wrote:
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Corporations censoring who they like is a libbo dream. You should be all for it. The alternative of course is socialism where the government sets standards and you can vote out those governments that censor stuff you don't want censored.
Well, I can't disagree with that!
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Hermit » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:46 am

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There really isn't any debate. From what I've seen, lots of folks who don't know anything about guns lobby for gun control, while they can easily afford armed security providing for them.

Did you check out those Weinsteins, and their critical discussion of the peer review process? I'm absolutely sure they are more qualified in science than you (even if you are highly qualified - there are TWO of the Weinsteins)
The post you are using to say something was not about gun control as such, nor was it about peer review, but I'll make a couple of brief comments about the latter anyway.

There are many problems with peer reviews. The article by Andrew Wakefield is one of many examples. It was published by the highly regarded journal Nature after peer review, and it took eight months for that august organisation to finally retract it. That said, condemning the process of peer reviewing articles before they are published is like condemning seat belts on the ground that they don't always save lives.

Weinstein has yet to substantiate his assertion that "There is now a *massive* campaign by people who use it to their advantage to rewrite scientific history as if it has always been there as part of the scientific method." His claim that "Peer review entered only recently" is demonstrably false. The process was started by Henry Oldenburg in the 17th century and has spread ever since. Weinstein's opinion that peer review has "devitalized science" total rubbish. He is a (very intelligent) crank who is embittered that his concept of Geometric Unity, marketed as a potential unified theory of physics, remains unpublished by scientific journals because it kept falling at the peer review hurdle. The fact that it never made it past the peer review process is not at all surprising. It does not contain a single equation, which is not only downright freakish for any theory of physics, but it also makes it impossible to test.
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