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Welfare surveillance system violates human rights, Dutch court rules

Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:16 pm

Welfare surveillance system violates human rights, Dutch court rules
Government told to halt use of AI to detect fraud in decision hailed by privacy campaigners

A Dutch court has ordered the immediate halt of an automated surveillance system for detecting welfare fraud because it violates human rights, in a judgment likely to resonate well beyond the Netherlands.

The case was seen as an important legal challenge to the controversial but growing use by governments around the world of artificial intelligence (AI) and risk modelling in administering welfare benefits and other core services.

Campaigners say such “digital welfare states” – developed often without consultation, and operated secretively and without adequate oversight – amount to spying on the poor, breaching privacy and human rights norms and unfairly penalising the most vulnerable.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:42 pm

--smart people behaving horribly again.
The latest fad is a poverty social. Every woman must wear calico,
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Post by laklak » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:13 pm

If we just ate the poor we wouldn't have these problems, and think of the carbon savings.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Sean Hayden » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:54 pm

Let the poor colonize space. If we throw enough of them at the problem we can work out the kinks and join them later.

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and every man his old clothes. In addition each is fined 25 cents if
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Post by JimC » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:47 pm

Our CentreLink service tried the same sort of automated fraud detection, and ended up falsely penalising a whole heap of people. I think the system has been quietly retired...
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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:29 pm

laklak wrote:If we just ate the poor we wouldn't have these problems, and think of the carbon savings.
Call me sentimental, but I have a strong aversion to eating anything with 46 chromosomes, no matter how good the gravy is.
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Post by laklak » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:36 pm

OK how about Down's kids? They got 47.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:47 pm

How good is the gravy?
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Post by laklak » Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:24 am

Asian gravy - Mongolian spices.
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Post by rainbow » Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:21 am

laklak wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:13 pm
If we just ate the poor we wouldn't have these problems, and think of the carbon savings.
Too bony, and you get greater savings on a billionaire, than 1000 poor people. :sulk:

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Post by rainbow » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:45 am

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Post by laklak » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:00 pm

rainbow wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:21 am
laklak wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:13 pm
If we just ate the poor we wouldn't have these problems, and think of the carbon savings.
Too bony, and you get greater savings on a billionaire, than 1000 poor people. :sulk:

:smug: You hadn't thought this one through, had you? :smug:
Bone broth.
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Post by laklak » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:07 pm

Billionaires are hard to catch, there aren't many of them around and they have defenses. But you can bait poor people with lots of things. Lottery tickets, beer, canned corned beef, Big Mac. Can always put them in the feedlot and fatten then up.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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