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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:46 pm

Why do people cheat? It's a reality in all games. Even chess has cheaters. In fact, for serious online play each player is assigned an observer to ensure they aren't peeking at an engine during play. In card games a table may be mostly bots. The hacks for video games are legion. You can instantly see all opponents, let the computer aim for you, or have unlimited strength, ammo, and endurance. Sometimes it's obvious why people cheat. They can make money, or earn titles and respect. But often there is no obvious reward beyond beating some anonymous player at one of a thousand rounds they'll join that day. Worse, the cheater is not even besting the other guy; a thoughtless algorithm is, and the cheater is unlikely to have written that...

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Post by laklak » Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:05 pm

Because most people are assholes.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:05 pm

:lol:

Maybe the cheating is the game. They have to discover a cheat, apply it, and get away with it. If they can do that, they win.

More likely, there is no single reason why people cheat. What is interesting to me at the moment is the idea that it is possible to feel good about winning, regardless of how you do it. Maybe that's obvious. But we do tend to question a cheater's character because we don't believe it should be possible to feel good about winning while cheating.

I bet someone has already studied this and found that cheaters brains don't give a fuck bro...it's all the same.

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Post by Animavore » Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:23 pm

Some people just need to win at all costs. Like athletes taking steroids.
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Post by JimC » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:08 pm

In our evolutionary past, cheaters who successfully evaded detection and censure had more offspring than either non-cheaters, or incompetent cheaters who were caught and punished.

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Re: Cheaters

Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:01 pm

:lol: --nonsense

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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:11 pm

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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:15 pm

:lol: --christ, how disappointing was that? Farkin' Armstrong.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:22 pm

I know. But to cheat on the scale Armstrong did definitely takes a lot of ball. :tea:
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Post by Hermit » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:50 pm

Bicycle racing is a special case. No professional racer has a snowflake's chance in hell of winning anything unless they use illegal chemical substances to enhance their physical capabilities. This has been the case for decades. Every time the organisers announce they will clean the industry up I chuckle involuntarily and roll my eyes. What? Again?
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Post by Tero » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:27 pm

It's OK, everybody cheats. Losers get caught.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:36 am

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Post by laklak » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:56 pm

I don't cheat. I just enhance winning.
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Re: Cheaters

Post by Sean Hayden » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:07 pm

It's getting worse.
Chess’s cheating crisis: ‘paranoia has become the culture’
As the game enjoys a boom online, players ranging from grandmasters to preteens are getting caught ‘computer doping’

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Chess.com, the world’s biggest site for online play, said it had seen 12 million new users this year, against 6.5 million last year. The cheating rate has jumped from between 5,000 and 6,000 players banned each month last year to a high of almost 17,000 in August.
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Particularly disappointing is the cheating at the junior level:
Such controversies have been replicated even in the lower-stakes world of junior play. Sarah Longson, a former British ladies’ champion who runs the Delancey UK Schools’ Chess Challenge, said at least 100 of 2,000 online participants cheated.

The cheating was blatant, she said, with mediocre preteens at the level of the world champion, Magnus Carlsen. “But only three of them admitted it, which is pretty disgusting.” After realising the night before the final that the top three qualifiers had all been cheating, she said, “we stayed up til 3am deciding what to do” and nearly cancelled altogether.

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Re: Cheaters

Post by JimC » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:07 pm

Cheating has terrible consequences... :nono:




But only if you get caught! :{D
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