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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Svartalf » Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:33 am

Tyrannical wrote:
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Dershowitz is not a scholar of the US Constitution, he's a defense attorney. His personal opinion on the matter of the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors" should carry no more weight than that of any other defense attorney. Perhaps the Trump cabal was unable to find a respectable constitutional scholar who was willing to make the argument that Dershowitz says that he'll be presenting.
Sentence #2 of his Wikipedia entry:

He is a scholar of United States constitutional law and criminal law.
Which counts for nothing, since, as a defense lawyer, his actial expertise doesn't count, he'll defend a patently wrong version of the matter if it supports his client.
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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by rainbow » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:57 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:37 pm
L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:08 pm
Dershowitz is not a scholar of the US Constitution, he's a defense attorney. His personal opinion on the matter of the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors" should carry no more weight than that of any other defense attorney. Perhaps the Trump cabal was unable to find a respectable constitutional scholar who was willing to make the argument that Dershowitz says that he'll be presenting.
Sentence #2 of his Wikipedia entry:

He is a scholar of United States constitutional law and criminal law.
...so I could go onto his Wikipedia page and claim that he is a qualified arsewipe.

Would that make it true?
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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:24 pm

Politico columnist, from National Review is freaking out the wrong way
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... ane-102446
he fears removing the president for the first time ever would be...let us use a Trump phrase....really BAD
I think it would just send the message to the 2 parties not to run goofballs, run actual stable geniuses, or even average IQ stable dummies like Bush

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Post by Tero » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:47 pm

Senators treating ulcers while sitting at marathon session:

...Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, a physician, told CNN the practice was started to aid senators suffering from peptic ulcer disease because "way back when, in the '50's" there was no treatment for the condition other than drinking milk.

"There was no medicine for pectic ulcer disease so people would drink milk and so the senators were allowed to drink milk because they had ulcers," he said.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/23/poli ... index.html

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Post by Tero » Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:55 pm

We have a trained prosecutor making charges and an OJ Simpson lawyer defending client Trump:

From 1987 to 1993, he (Schiff) was an Assistant United States Attorney in the Office of the United States Attorney for the Central District of California.[6] While in this position, Schiff came to public attention when he prosecuted the case against Richard Miller, a former FBI agent who was convicted of spying for the Soviet Union.[7] The first trial resulted in a hung jury; the second trial resulted in a conviction that was overturned on appeal.[8] Miller was convicted in a third trial.[9]

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Post by JimC » Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:06 am

An interesting article from our ABC:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-24/ ... d/11896288

The telling last part of the report:
If any senator, from either party, does break ranks, it's unlikely to be a result of the strength or weakness of the case being put before them.

Most of those considered likely to flip, on both sides of the Senate, come from vulnerable states.

In other words, they're likely to make a decision, on this most serious of matters, based on whether it'll help them get re-elected.

They swore an oath to deliver "impartial justice" but partisan self-interest looks likely to rule the day.
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Post by Tero » Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:24 am

Yeah, you have to give Trump credit for bringing all these disinterested (in politics) people to notice, coming out of the woodwork. And voting! All then red state senators are stuck with them. Along with their Jesus people.

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Post by Joe » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:20 am

Well, when partisan self-interest comes with cold, hard cash, it's hard for a politician to resist.

Trump lures GOP senators on impeachment with cold cash
President Donald Trump is rewarding senators who have his back on impeachment — and sending a message to those who don't to get on board.

Trump is tapping his vast fundraising network for a handful of loyal senators facing tough reelection bids in 2020. Each of them has signed onto a Republican-backed resolution condemning the inquiry as “unprecedented and undemocratic.”
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Republican senators on the ballot next year are lagging in fundraising, stoking uncertainty about the GOP’s hold on the chamber, and could use the fundraising might of the president. Trump’s political operation has raked in over $300 million this year.

On Wednesday, the Trump reelection campaign sent a fundraising appeal to its massive email list urging donors to provide a contribution that would be divided between the president and Colorado Sen. Cory Gardner, Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst, and North Carolina Sen. Thom Tillis. Each of the senators are supporting the anti-impeachment resolution despite being endangered in 2020.
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Post by Tero » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:55 am

I did that story before it was a story:
http://karireport.blogspot.com/2019/12/ ... enate.html

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Post by JimC » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:39 am

I know many here have sometimes thought that Scot Dutchy's savage condemnation of US "democracy" was OTT, but I'm beginning to move more in his direction...
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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:42 am

Dershowitz the "scholar":
Trump legal team member Alan Dershowitz also asserted that proof of a crime is required to impeach a president, though during the 1998 impeachment of President Clinton he asserted, "It certainly doesn’t have to be a crime if you have somebody who completely corrupts the office of president and who abuses trust and who poses great danger to our liberty. You don’t need a technical crime," adding, "We look at their acts of state. We look at how they conduct the foreign policy. We look at whether they try to subvert the Constitution." After video of his statements surfaced as the Trump trial began, Dershowitz retracted his earlier position.[65][66]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachme ... nald_Trump

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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Joe » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:11 am

Tero wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:55 am
I did that story before it was a story:
http://karireport.blogspot.com/2019/12/ ... enate.html
Well, it was a story in October, but a good post anyway. :clap:
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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by rainbow » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:33 am

Tero wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:47 pm
Senators treating ulcers while sitting at marathon session:

...Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, a physician, told CNN the practice was started to aid senators suffering from peptic ulcer disease because "way back when, in the '50's" there was no treatment for the condition other than drinking milk.

"There was no medicine for pectic ulcer disease so people would drink milk and so the senators were allowed to drink milk because they had ulcers," he said.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/23/poli ... index.html
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