Forty Two wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 7:34 pm
L'Emmerdeur wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 2:48 am
Forty Two wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:02 am
How did it not have "proper arrangements for how to reunify families" when 98.2% of the families were reunified, leaving 55 children still in HHS care? (That's according to the article).
There was no system in place, and at that time the UAC portal you tout listed '
about 60' links to parents out of nearly 3,000 children separated from their parents. Previous to the order being rescinded, the Trump administration hadn't bothered to effectively document family relationships for 98.2% of the separated children. The whole point of the article is that the Trump administration instituted the zero tolerance policy but didn't set up an effective means of reuniting families. Your attempted denial of this plain fact, while not surprising, is ridiculous.
Your claim is that there wasn't an effective means of reuniting families, despite the fact that 98.2% were reunited. Leaving 55 kids, says the article, in custody, and the article provides no explanation as to why the kids remain in custody (for example, that the adult did not want to be reunited, that the child was not the child of the adult, or that the person is still in custody for one reason or another). IN your view, 98.2% reunification rate is "no effective means" of reuniting.
You're not achieving anything but bringing further discredit to yourself when you resort to such dishonesty. The fact is that when the order was rescinded, there was no system in place for reuniting families separated under the zero-tolerance policy. The inspector general's report states that unequivocally. While the government was eventually able to reunite most of the families, that doesn't change this fact.
Forty Two wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 7:34 pm
If by "cobble together" you mean "look up the parent in DHS data" and "look up the child in HHS data" then sure. The reality that you are ignoring is that DHS knew exactly where the adult was, because the adult was in custody, and HHS knew exactly where the children were, because they were in HHS care. The trouble identified in the email was in printing out a merged report. However, there were no missing people, and there was no trouble reuniting people. The article itself shows that - All the article is doing is bleating on about an email talking about merging multiple data sets. It does NOT say that they couldn't reunite people. They DID reunite people. It happened.
The administration had made no plan for reunifying families and only began to build one when it was forced to do so. It was unable to comply with the court ordered timeline for reunifying families. If there had really been 'no trouble' then 30 days would have been ample time. Nobody is claiming that most of the families were not eventually reunited--that's a straw man you've constructed and sneeringly demolished all on your own.
Forty Two wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 7:34 pm
manually populating spreadsheets was not necessary for reunificaiton. As an adult was released from custody, they looked up the child on the ORR system for HHS and said "oh, there the kid is" - release. Unification.
You fail to cite a source for this claim regarding the supposed ease of reunifying families. In contrast I've cited multiple sources to support the claims made in the article. In a portion of my post that you conveniently failed to address, I cited an internal government email that shows that when the policy was rescinded the UAC portal had only about 60 documented links between parents and their children in the 'ORR system.' The government had to manually establish thousands of such links in order to comply with the court order because of this. A month after the court ordered deadline, approximately 500 children had
still not been reunited with their families.
Forty Two wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 7:34 pm
L'Emmerdeur wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 2:48 am
The article makes clear that the Trump administration was ready and willing to separate families and traumatize children to further its agenda,
Traumatize children whom adults charged with their care had dragged hundreds and even thousands of miles through dangerous country, across open desert and grasslands, crossing an international border without inspection, led by coyotes in a knowingly illegal process, threatening their own children's very lives - and sometimes dragging other people's children across in order to take advantage of a system that does not, like European countries do, allow families to be detained together. And, the agenda being to get people to stop fucking doing that.
Right. Your own political agenda is showing.
Yes, I think you've already made clear that you think that there's really no problem with the Trump administration setting out to purposely traumatize children in an effort to scare families into not attempting to claim asylum in the US. Many of these families cross dangerous country etc. because they are fleeing violence and terror in their homes. They don't make the decision lightly, but in desperation to provide a better environment for their children. Your attempt to make these people out to be somehow irresponsible, to denigrate their motives and portray the Trump administration's zero tolerance policy as apparently acceptable because its purpose was to stop people from trying to get to the US to claim asylum shows an amazing lack of empathy. My opposition to that policy has nothing to do with a political agenda, and that you would think that it does is further evidence of a lack of empathy. It seems you think the only reason a person would oppose it is because of politics.
Forty Two wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 7:34 pm
L'Emmerdeur wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 2:48 am
but until it was forced to it didn't bother to put a system in place to reunite them with their parents.
There was a system in place. That's the system that did reunite them. As adults were released, they were reunited with the kids. There was no delay. If there was no system in place, then they would not have been able to be reunited.
The sources I've cited show that isn't true, and you've failed to cite a single source that actually contradicts those that I've cited.
Forty Two wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 7:34 pm
The article - and you - make it sound as if this was some mystery that just couldn't be solved - that the admnistration had no idea where anybody was and "couldn't" reunify them -- they were reunified. Will you admit that 98.2% were reunified, by your own article's own terms? So they were successful, and you are bitching about a non-issue?
You're misrepresenting what the article says and what I have said. I have never disputed that most of the children were eventually reunited with their parents. The issue is the failure of the Trump administration to put in place a system for reunifying children with their parents when the zero-tolerance policy was initiated, and its continued failure to put such a system in place until public backlash and a court order forced it to stop separating children from their parents and begin the process of reunifying families.