Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:20 pmJust look at who he supports; the dumbest arse in the world who finally agreed that planes that fall out of the sky are not safe.

Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:20 pmJust look at who he supports; the dumbest arse in the world who finally agreed that planes that fall out of the sky are not safe.
Great English, that.
Great English, grammar and punctuation. Who's the idiot?Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:17 pmVery true Brian which is why idiots on the other side of the pond just dont understand how it works and does most of the UK parliament.
The predictions about the impact of a no-deal exit take this into account.Forty Two wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:21 pmLeaving the EU doesn't prohibit trading with the EU. The UK will simply fall into another trade category. Once the UK leaves, then it can negotiate new treaties.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:10 pmAt this point we're still leaving the EU - the matter is about how and, to some extent, when. The reason to sort the trade arrangements out is because the EU accounts for 40% of our exports and 50% of our imports. And besides, nobody is going to vote for a party which oversaw an estimated $9bn rise in the price of food, hikes in fuel prices, and the like - as the government and others have predicted in the event of a no-deal exit.
More "magical thinking" predictions. What are Brexiteers basing their predictions on? They have nothing to lose in predicting perpetual sunny uplands or free unicorns for all. And, whatever basis they are using to make such predictions - I guarantee it - are so vague and malleable as to allow any prediction that someone desires.More "chicken little" predictions. What are they basing their predictions on? They have nothing to lose in predicting disaster. And, whatever basis they are using to make such predictions - I guarantee it - are so vague and malleable as to allow any prediction that someone desires.
I think you're labouring under a misapprehension here. Yes, the nation voted in favour of leaving the EU. That was all it voted on. How that is achieved is up to the government of the day to steer through Parliament. In that process a no-deal Brexit has been taken off the table by a majority of elected MPs. it's called democracy.
You don't say.Well, I admit I'm not following it closely.
Again, you don't understand the issue. All UK trading arrangements with the rest of the world take place under the banner of the EU (apart from those parts of the world which fall within the category of the 'protectorates and dominions' of the United Kingdom, or 'off-shore tax havens' as they're more commonly known). This is because the EU is a free trade zone, the largest free trade zone in the world. Leaving without a deal would have meant all of the UK's ongoing trading relationships stopping and new arrangements starting from an economic ground zero as far as international trade was concerned, whether that's with the EU or with China or the US etc. Their are no arrangements in place, nor can any be made until the divorce comes through. Now consider what we might need and what we have to offer and you'll understand how leaving the EU, with a deal or not, leaves us at a distinct disadvantage in the short to medium term.Make a deal then. but, have done with it -- the results of leaving are not going to be an apocalypse. You've got a fine country there, and plenty of trading partners, and the EU is not going anywhere - they'll still trade with you after the exit. It's business. It's not personal.
Ok sorry but...JimC wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:01 amScot Dutchy, this post: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 7#p1820207
contravenes our "play nice" rule. Please refrain from such posts in future.
This a bit old but still valid:
Not long. Trade doesn't stop. The tariff regime changes, that's all. They don't have to renegotiate "all" its trade deals. Don't goods from the EU become subject to the WTO rules at that point? There seems to be a framework default deal even with a no deal brexit.
LOL, you don't even know what the effects of Brexit are, much less how bad they'll be. You just follow your team -- "oh, we're supposed to be outraged and afraid about this....something terrible will happen.... WTO tariff rules will apply to EU exports to the UK! Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh, my! the sky is falling, Chicken Little!"Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:07 pm42 go and play in your shit arse of your country and leave civilised people to find positive solutions. We all know your Orange Turd is always against the EU so just fuck off.
All political blocks have enemies and rivals. Sadly it is the way of the world. They see each other as competitors one way and another - and of course go as far as killing each other in the process from time to time. The stupidity of men (mostly men anyway).Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:21 amThis a bit old but still valid:
After Brexit: the UK will need to renegotiate at least 759 treaties
That does not include the vast amount of standards that have to be negotiated. It is huge and after their Brexit performance does really leave you wondering.
I am still with the notion that the whole sub plot of the right wing which is supported greatly by the world's 1% is the total destruction of the EU. It is not a lunatic conspiracy.
Bannon, although he is not the taste of the week, is not the only one but there lies a hard core in the 1% of the world (incl Russia) that hate big united free trade areas. They want to go back to the days of monetary speculation and cripple economies in order to make money. The EU has destroyed all their endeavours.
The Man Who Wants to Unmake the West
This is the real danger and many EU leaders and officials have often mentioned it.
The "predictions" are vague portents of doom.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:17 amThe predictions about the impact of a no-deal exit take this into account.Forty Two wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:21 pmLeaving the EU doesn't prohibit trading with the EU. The UK will simply fall into another trade category. Once the UK leaves, then it can negotiate new treaties.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:10 pmAt this point we're still leaving the EU - the matter is about how and, to some extent, when. The reason to sort the trade arrangements out is because the EU accounts for 40% of our exports and 50% of our imports. And besides, nobody is going to vote for a party which oversaw an estimated $9bn rise in the price of food, hikes in fuel prices, and the like - as the government and others have predicted in the event of a no-deal exit.
Nothing. Nobody can predict what the exact effects of the withdrawal will be. But, if someone predicts an apocalyptic doom, I say it's on them to present some concrete evidence. Otherwise, we all know trade doesn't become illegal when a tariff structure changes. Some tariffs will go up, others down.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:17 amMore "magical thinking" predictions. What are Brexiteers basing their predictions on?More "chicken little" predictions. What are they basing their predictions on? They have nothing to lose in predicting disaster. And, whatever basis they are using to make such predictions - I guarantee it - are so vague and malleable as to allow any prediction that someone desires.
nobody is predicting that. One side, the Brexiters, are saying things will be better overall and in the long term, and the other is running in circles with their hair on fire predicting economic calamity.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:17 am
They have nothing to lose in predicting perpetual sunny uplands or free unicorns for all.
Stop whattaboutism, Brian! This is about the predictions of the Remain and EU crowd. Pointing to the predictions on the other side is whattaboutism. Either the sky is falling predictions have some specificity and merit/evidence or they don't. Declaring the Brexiters to be equally vague and unsupported in their predictions doesn't support the Leave and EU predictions, right?Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:17 am
And, whatever basis they are using to make such predictions - I guarantee it - are so vague and malleable as to allow any prediction that someone desires.
Which isn't strictly true of course - aside from it poisoning the well - unless we're to say that the considered opinions of all experts are equally unreliable. Are we to say that?
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