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Post by Cunt » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:11 pm

So what about the black republicans? Are they refuting your bigoted, racist nonsense? Or are they traitors to their race?
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So what about the black republicans? Are they refuting your bigoted, racist nonsense? Or are they traitors to their race?
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Post by trdsf » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:58 pm

The weaponization of one's past wouldn't bother me as much as it does if it weren't for two things.

First, the rampaging hypocrisy about who one does and does not believe, which by and large is based more on the party and politics of the individual at the center of the controversy than the actual facts and severity of the matter. I would be more inclined to accept Republican hand-wringing and pearl-clutching over the Northam affair (et al.) if they'd pitch as big of a fit when it's a Republican that's accused. And I would be more inclined to accept Democratic weeping and wailing if they'd at least wait until all the facts are out before screaming for someone's head — I suppose their position is more consistent, but that doesn't make it fair or reasonable: this isn't France, it's not 'guilty until proven innocent'.

And second, the circus atmosphere that inevitably arises around these cases, that makes an actual analysis of the facts virtually impossible.

Me, I don't know what I think about the Northam case. I'd be more interested in knowing if there was a pattern of behavior that indicated racist beliefs that followed, or if it was, to use Henry Hyde's words to dismiss his own marital infidelity while spearheading the impeachment drive against President Clinton for his, a "youthful indiscretion". I find it worth notice that the accusation and photos cropped up not on an actual news source -- not even Fox -- but on a right-wing conspiracy theory site run by a former Breitbarter who calls Alex Jones "my Walter Cronkite" and the leftovers of Roy Moore's Senate campaign management.

That doesn't automatically make it false, but it does make it worth looking at more closely before accepting the claims at face value.

I also find Northam's turnaround, first apologizing and then saying it's not him in the photos, curious. I mean, there's stuff I did in college that I remember only fuzzily at best (coincidentally at about the same time as Northam's college years), but I would immediatley know if confronted with a photo alleging to be of me in blackface that I had nothing to apologize for because I have never worn blackface.

So Northam's initial apology sounds to me like appearing in a racist photograph was something he had to admit he could have plausibly done, which is in and of itself disturbing, and tilts me slightly in the direction of 'resign'.

I don't know if he actually was a racist when he was younger, or was just racially insensitive, or just did the dumb shit college kids sometimes do without thinking.

I do know that with the storm and fury going on right now, it will be virtually impossible to sift out the signal from all the noise.
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I would immediatley know if confronted with a photo alleging to be of me in blackface that I had nothing to apologize for because I have never worn blackface.

So Northam's initial apology sounds to me like appearing in a racist photograph was something he had to admit he could have plausibly done, which is in and of itself disturbing, and tilts me slightly in the direction of 'resign'.
Tell me, is everyone who ever wore 'blackface' an official racist?

Is that 'racist' deserving of anything? Political office? Government employee benefits? Water? Electricity?

'Racist' usually doesn't seem to mean 'carries out current racist acts' anymore, it now seems to be anyone who can be accused by wearing the wrong costume, or saying the wrong word.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:44 pm

Where did trdsf's post imply that "veryone who ever wore 'blackface' an official racist"?

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Post by Cunt » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:51 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
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Where did trdsf's post imply that "veryone who ever wore 'blackface' an official racist"?

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Where did my post imply that? I was just asking because it seems that this politician is being branded racist (or not branded such) based on whether he did, or would have dressed in black face decades ago.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:54 pm

Cunt wrote:
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Brian Peacock wrote:
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Where did trdsf's post imply that "everyone who ever wore 'blackface' an official racist"?

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Where did my post imply that?
Only in the part where you quoted a portion of trdsf's post and immediately responded with: "Tell me, is everyone who ever wore 'blackface' an official racist?"
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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:01 pm

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Ever go to a 'pimp and ho's ' party, Brian Peacock? (no implication intended in this question, either)
No, but I did attend a "vicars and tarts" party in my early 20s. I'll leave you to imagine which group I identified with at the time.
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Post by Cunt » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:12 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
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Ever go to a 'pimp and ho's ' party, Brian Peacock? (no implication intended in this question, either)
No, but I did attend a "vicars and tarts" party in my early 20s. I'll leave you to imagine which group I identified with at the time.
It doesn't matter, as either could have you vilified later.

Something about the attacks on costume choices, decades later, seems silly to me, but there we are then.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:42 pm

Indeed. But I'll tell you something about the 'vicars and tarts' party I attended. My Bishop didn't take warmly to it, not one jot. :tea:
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Post by Cunt » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:54 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
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Indeed. But I'll tell you something about the 'vicars and tarts' party I attended. My Bishop didn't take warmly to it, not one jot. :tea:
Probably not even a tittle.
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Post by trdsf » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:02 am

Cunt wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:55 pm
trdsf wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:58 pm
I would immediatley know if confronted with a photo alleging to be of me in blackface that I had nothing to apologize for because I have never worn blackface.

So Northam's initial apology sounds to me like appearing in a racist photograph was something he had to admit he could have plausibly done, which is in and of itself disturbing, and tilts me slightly in the direction of 'resign'.
Tell me, is everyone who ever wore 'blackface' an official racist?

Is that 'racist' deserving of anything? Political office? Government employee benefits? Water? Electricity?

'Racist' usually doesn't seem to mean 'carries out current racist acts' anymore, it now seems to be anyone who can be accused by wearing the wrong costume, or saying the wrong word.
I can but point you to Brian's query, your inadequate reply to him, and his follow-up pointing out where exactly you went wrong. Do me the favor in future of addressing the points I have made (or attempted to make), not imputing to me things I did not say.

In fact, allow me to quote myself again, and allow me to highlight it a little since reading for comprehension clearly eluded you:
I don't know if he actually was a racist when he was younger, or was just racially insensitive, or just did the dumb shit college kids sometimes do without thinking.
That seems pretty clear to me exactly what I was saying.

What you did was deliberately miscast my post.
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Post by Cunt » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:14 am

trdsf wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:02 am
Cunt wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:55 pm
trdsf wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:58 pm
I would immediatley know if confronted with a photo alleging to be of me in blackface that I had nothing to apologize for because I have never worn blackface.

So Northam's initial apology sounds to me like appearing in a racist photograph was something he had to admit he could have plausibly done, which is in and of itself disturbing, and tilts me slightly in the direction of 'resign'.
Tell me, is everyone who ever wore 'blackface' an official racist?

Is that 'racist' deserving of anything? Political office? Government employee benefits? Water? Electricity?

'Racist' usually doesn't seem to mean 'carries out current racist acts' anymore, it now seems to be anyone who can be accused by wearing the wrong costume, or saying the wrong word.
I can but point you to Brian's query, your inadequate reply to him, and his follow-up pointing out where exactly you went wrong. Do me the favor in future of addressing the points I have made (or attempted to make), not imputing to me things I did not say.

In fact, allow me to quote myself again, and allow me to highlight it a little since reading for comprehension clearly eluded you:
I don't know if he actually was a racist when he was younger, or was just racially insensitive, or just did the dumb shit college kids sometimes do without thinking.
That seems pretty clear to me exactly what I was saying.

What you did was deliberately miscast my post.
I didn't mean to miscast you. I agree, overall. I was just asking some of the questions I think are uncomfortable.

Does it need to be said, that I don't think you speculating on these questions makes you 'racist'?
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Post by Cunt » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:15 am

Oh, and as to the politician, I think if he can be pressured to resign by this kind of non-event, then he ought to. It's not like there is a shortage of politicians.
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Post by laklak » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:21 am

It's fuckin' hilarious. We got Coonman, the Lt. Gov is apparently a pervert, third guy in line is also a racist, and the 4th in line for the Govship is a Republican. The GOP could pick up another governorship without doing anything at all.

C'mon, this is some funny shit. Only in America, what a country.
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