Individual-1, a joke or a threat? (talk Trump)

[Hermit]

"Hillary Lover!"

She IS the hero of the left. Fucking hilarious that they can't do better than that lol

Orly? I regard her as a Wall Street shill, and I am by no means the only forum member who does so. But then again, I am not of the left, so you might just be right.

[Cunt]

"Hillary Lover!"

She IS the hero of the left. Fucking hilarious that they can't do better than that lol

Orly? I regard her as a Wall Street shill, and I am by no means the only forum member who does so. But then again, I am not of the left, so you might just be right.

Well, the left and right may be sloppy terms, but the Dems have her, and the Reps have Trump.

I know who I would choose, for a dinner guest, for a political leader, OR for just about anything. It wouldn't be Hillary. She is creepy and scary.

[Hermit]

"Hillary Lover!"

She IS the hero of the left. Fucking hilarious that they can't do better than that lol

Orly? I regard her as a Wall Street shill, and I am by no means the only forum member who does so. But then again, I am not of the left, so you might just be right.

Well, the left and right may be sloppy terms...

So, Hillary "Clinton IS the hero of" whom, exactly? Try to say something meaningful here, please. I'll make it a bit easier for you by not asking you to actually furnish some sort of evidence for your answer.

[Brian Peacock]

"Hillary Lover!"

She IS the hero of the left. Fucking hilarious that they can't do better than that lol

Only the right think Hillary is either of the left or a darling of left leaning politics. She's neither. The US only has one political party: the property party - it just happens to have two right wings; Democrat and Republican.

Not at all true...Hillary is the Dems (left) hero. They might choose another, but at the moment, they have no more 'shining star' than her. lol

The 'left' isn't that bit between the raggedy right and the centre, and to categorise either Democrats or Hillary Clinton as 'left' is to reify the term to the point of functional bankruptcy.

So, will you define 'the left' as a discrete political ideology, and then demonstrate how the Democrats and Hillary Clinton fulfil that definition, or are you going to dance around the issue in the usual fashion before implying that 'the left' is distinguished by not being 'the right'?

[Cunt]

"Hillary Lover!"

She IS the hero of the left. Fucking hilarious that they can't do better than that lol

Orly? I regard her as a Wall Street shill, and I am by no means the only forum member who does so. But then again, I am not of the left, so you might just be right.

Well, the left and right may be sloppy terms...

So, Hillary "Clinton IS the hero of" whom, exactly? Try to say something meaningful here, please. I'll make it a bit easier for you by not asking you to actually furnish some sort of evidence for your answer.

The hero of the democratic party. They actually voted (with a bit of cheating vs Bernie Sanders) her to be the leader of their party.

The party of the 'left', as most often described. You may not think they are left enough, or think that the right is not right enough, but it doesn't change popular usage of the term.

Why it is so hard for you to understand is the puzzling part...

[Hermit]

She IS the hero of the left. Fucking hilarious that they can't do better than that lol

Orly? I regard her as a Wall Street shill, and I am by no means the only forum member who does so. But then again, I am not of the left, so you might just be right.

Well, the left and right may be sloppy terms...

So, Hillary "Clinton IS the hero of" whom, exactly? Try to say something meaningful here, please. I'll make it a bit easier for you by not asking you to actually furnish some sort of evidence for your answer.

The hero of the democratic party. They actually voted (with a bit of cheating vs Bernie Sanders) her to be the leader of their party.

The party of the 'left', as most often described. You may not think they are left enough, or think that the right is not right enough, but it doesn't change popular usage of the term.

Why it is so hard for you to understand is the puzzling part...

Oh great. The leader of the Democratic Party is the hero of the Democratic Party. Sorry for underestimating your perspicuity, and I must thank you for the profundity of your analysis.

And yes, I realise that many North Americans regard Wall Street shills as belonging to the left. Explains why - as you have just recently pointed out - big business has donated 318 million bucks to the hero of the left's foundation in just two years. I guess those generous millionaires and billionaires were "of the left" themselves. Thanks again.

[Cunt]

Orly? I regard her as a Wall Street shill, and I am by no means the only forum member who does so. But then again, I am not of the left, so you might just be right.

Well, the left and right may be sloppy terms...

So, Hillary "Clinton IS the hero of" whom, exactly? Try to say something meaningful here, please. I'll make it a bit easier for you by not asking you to actually furnish some sort of evidence for your answer.

The hero of the democratic party. They actually voted (with a bit of cheating vs Bernie Sanders) her to be the leader of their party.

The party of the 'left', as most often described. You may not think they are left enough, or think that the right is not right enough, but it doesn't change popular usage of the term.

Why it is so hard for you to understand is the puzzling part...

Oh great. The leader of the Democratic Party is the hero of the Democratic Party. Sorry for underestimating your perspicuity, and I must thank you for the profundity of your analysis.

And yes, I realise that many North Americans regard Wall Street shills as belonging to the left. Explains why - as you have just recently pointed out - big business has donated 318 million bucks to the hero of the left's foundation in just two years. I guess those generous millionaires and billionaires were "of the left" themselves. Thanks again.

I think it's most hilarious how their foreign and domestic donations tanked as soon as Hillary lost.

It's almost like they were paying for some future consideration which evaporated with her chances at the Presidency.

Who is your 'hero of the left' then, Hermit?

What party do you think represents the left you imagine?

[Brian Peacock]

It's your argument, why should Hermione support it for you?

[Forty Two]

"Hillary Lover!"

She IS the hero of the left. Fucking hilarious that they can't do better than that lol

Only the right think Hillary is either of the left or a darling of left leaning politics. She's neither. The US only has one political party: the property party - it just happens to have two right wings; Democrat and Republican.

Not at all true...Hillary is the Dems (left) hero. They might choose another, but at the moment, they have no more 'shining star' than her. lol

The 'left' isn't that bit between the raggedy right and the centre, and to categorise either Democrats or Hillary Clinton as 'left' is to reify the term to the point of functional bankruptcy.

Oh stop it with the old "nobody in Merka is left because left in Merka is to the right of Mussolini anywhere else..." nonsense. The Democrat Party is the home of the Left in the US - Bernie Sanders - She Guevara (Ocasio-Corteth). 57% of Democrats have a positive view of socialism - that's a nice indicator of "left-leaning" ideology. Gallup's Frank Newport put it, "the drop in Democrats' positive views of capitalism this year has for the first time left Democrats more positive about socialism as a concept than about capitalism." Here's the Washington Post with an article about Democratic Socialism as the revitalizing force in the Democratic Party. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... 45a914f690


And what's so hard about defining the left? Do you honestly think it has no meaning? The stuff She Guevara spouts? That's solidly left. Bernie Sanders - solidly Left. That's the up-and-coming wing of the Democrat Party.

[Cunt]

It's your argument, why should Hermione support it for you?

If Hermoine says that the US left isn't 'left', I think it's reasonable to ask for an example of this mysterious 'left'

[Hermit]

I think it's most hilarious how their foreign and domestic donations tanked as soon as Hillary lost.

It's almost like they were paying for some future consideration which evaporated with her chances at the Presidency.

Who is your 'hero of the left' then, Hermit?

What party do you think represents the left you imagine?

No point in buying a politician who is not going to win the presidency, is there?

I don't have a 'hero of the left' because I am not a leftie. I like my policies to run down the middle of the road. What's generally known as a mixed economy - equidistant from the horrors of communism and laissez faire capitalism would suit me fine.

I imagine the Fourth International represented the left. Stalin killed it off with an ice pick.

In Australia there are two or three parties with very left wing policies. Their members are lunatics. Nevertheless, each party attracts around 200 to 300 votes at elections. They are not left wing enough to plot the violent overthrow of the capitalism, you see. They want to establish their Utopia from within the system. Unfortunately for them they keep splitting like amoebae, but on ideological rather than biological grounds.

[pErvinalia]

You seem to be implying that to be left you have to be against capitalism (i.e. not a mixed system). That makes the vast majority of people centrists or right, with very few lefties. Not a very useful definition.

[pErvinalia]

I'm for a mixed economy, and I definitely consider myself a leftie. The fact that probably 99% of people in the country are to the right of me makes me confident in my declaration as a leftie.

[Brian Peacock]

It's your argument, why should Hermione support it for you?

If Hermoine says that the US left isn't 'left', I think it's reasonable to ask for an example of this mysterious 'left'

Nope, Hermitage was poking a hole in your definition of 'the left' as, basically, 'the not right'. Then you challenged him to prove you wrong to your satisfaction rather than supporting your own claim.

Of course, you can define the Democrats as lefties if you like, there's no law against it, but the Democrats are by any reasonable definition a centre-right party. The 'left' epithet when applied to the Democrats is just a pejorative scare word. It makes the term meaningless in this context

[Cunt]

I don't have a 'hero of the left' because I am not a leftie. I like my policies to run down the middle of the road. What's generally known as a mixed economy - equidistant from the horrors of communism and laissez faire capitalism would suit me fine.

I imagine the Fourth International represented the left. Stalin killed it off with an ice pick.

In Australia there are two or three parties with very left wing policies. Their members are lunatics. Nevertheless, each party attracts around 200 to 300 votes at elections. They are not left wing enough to plot the violent overthrow of the capitalism, you see. They want to establish their Utopia from within the system. Unfortunately for them they keep splitting like amoebae, but on ideological rather than biological grounds.

I didn't think you would answer.

Mostly, the US divides things red/blue, right/left, republican/democrat.

You can insist that none of these are good, but most people in the US had to choose one or the other to vote for.

Now that Trump IS their president, lots of them seem to think it's best to screech and refuse to work on anything with him.

Some even laughably pretend that he is 'not their president'. The funniest thing is that, while their government is closed, they are still paying the same amount of taxes that they would pay if it was open.