The US Healthcare Mass Debate
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The civilised answer, of course, is free, universal health care for all. Taking care of other human beings should be a no-brainer...
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Without Obamacare, many seniors would likely spend around $2,000 or more in out-of-pocket drug costs each year, said Juliette Cubanski, associate director of Medicare policy at the Kaiser Family Foundation. That’s because the ACA required drugmakers to provide big discounts to seniors in the coverage gap phase of their Medicare Part D benefit. In 2016, more than 5 million Medicare recipients reached the coverage gap, with drugmakers providing $5.7 billion in discounts to offset the costs of their medicines, Cubanski said.
Some Medicare drug plans have a coverage gap. This means that after you and your drug plan have spent a certain amount of money for covered drugs, you may have to pay more for your prescription drugs up to a certain limit. In 2018, once you and your plan have spent $3,750 on covered drugs, you're in the coverage gap.
Over 7500 a year you end up 95% covered as the Catastrophic plan.
Without Obamacare, many seniors would likely spend around $2,000 or more in out-of-pocket drug costs each year, said Juliette Cubanski, associate director of Medicare policy at the Kaiser Family Foundation. That’s because the ACA required drugmakers to provide big discounts to seniors in the coverage gap phase of their Medicare Part D benefit. In 2016, more than 5 million Medicare recipients reached the coverage gap, with drugmakers providing $5.7 billion in discounts to offset the costs of their medicines, Cubanski said.
Some Medicare drug plans have a coverage gap. This means that after you and your drug plan have spent a certain amount of money for covered drugs, you may have to pay more for your prescription drugs up to a certain limit. In 2018, once you and your plan have spent $3,750 on covered drugs, you're in the coverage gap.
Over 7500 a year you end up 95% covered as the Catastrophic plan.
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Alas, this is not possible without turning into Venezuela.
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Is that right, Coito? Maybe, maybe not, but at least I didn't vote for a bigoted, conspiracy nut, conman, and at least I've never made apologetics for state sanctioned kidnapping.Forty Two wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:32 pmYou likely aren't particularly educated, from the sound of it, and from the emotion-driven arguments you make, laden with judgment and scorn, you're rather immature as a person. You like to finger point, rather than talk. You moralize, rather than understand and discuss.
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I made no such apologetics, and I disagree that he's bigoted, a conspiracy nut or a conman.Seabass wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:48 amIs that right, Coito? Maybe, maybe not, but at least I didn't vote for a bigoted, conspiracy nut, conman, and at least I've never made apologetics for state sanctioned kidnapping.Forty Two wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:32 pmYou likely aren't particularly educated, from the sound of it, and from the emotion-driven arguments you make, laden with judgment and scorn, you're rather immature as a person. You like to finger point, rather than talk. You moralize, rather than understand and discuss.
You voted for a scofflaw, racist, candidate who lied to Congress, and who cheated in the primary elections.
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Which country is the model for that?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Don't hold back. You forgot rapist, thief and traitor.Seabass wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:48 amIs that right, Coito? Maybe, maybe not, but at least I didn't vote for a bigoted, conspiracy nut, conman, and at least I've never made apologetics for state sanctioned kidnapping.Forty Two wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:32 pmYou likely aren't particularly educated, from the sound of it, and from the emotion-driven arguments you make, laden with judgment and scorn, you're rather immature as a person. You like to finger point, rather than talk. You moralize, rather than understand and discuss.
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Hillary is not a rapist, as far as we know. Thief and traitor, though....
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Australia does it pretty well.
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At least in comparison to the US. Healthcare is free to those on low incomes or pensions (via bulk billing or a healthcare card), and for most others is subsidised. Public hospital treatment is free. You can also take out health insurance and go private if you wish, so we haven't gone all Marxist on freedom of choice, either...
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Doesn't sound like free universal healthcare for all, though. I thought that's what Joe said was needed.JimC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:36 pmAt least in comparison to the US. Healthcare is free to those on low incomes or pensions (via bulk billing or a healthcare card), and for most others is subsidised. Public hospital treatment is free. You can also take out health insurance and go private if you wish, so we haven't gone all Marxist on freedom of choice, either...
Here in the US healthcare is free for children, and those on low incomes and pensioners (retirees).
Now, for most it's subsidized too. However, before Obamacare tripled the premiums, even though it wasn't subsidized, individual coverage was relatively inexpensive.
Not sure why you'd need private health insurance, if health care is free for all at the point of service and hospital treatment is free.... sounds like a lot of stuff isn't covered under the "free" part.
When describing the US health insurance, it's described as people dying in the streets because they can't get care, because health care insurance wasn't mandatory, and only low income and the elderly received medicare and medicaid, and children got SCHIP. However, sounds like most of your population has to pay for insurance there, and there must be significant services not covered, or else there would be no reason to have a private insurance market on top of the "free" universal health care.
We were doing pretty well here, too, until about 2013, when Obamacare kicked in. Then the shit hit the fan, and now I pay as much for health insurance as for my mortgage. It's madness. Prior to Obamacare, I bought health insurance for the whole family for less than 1/4 of the price. If you told me 4 years ago that I would be paying what I'm paying now, I would have thought you mad. Not possible. What I'm paying now for a bronze level policy is more than the most expensive policy offered four years ago.
So, I get it, things are fucked up here in the US, and the blame lies squarely on Obama, Pelosi, Clinton, and the rest of the fuckwits in the Democrat party. Fucking scumbags.
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“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Elective surgery isn't a priority, so you can wait years for some treatments. With private you can of course get the treatment more or less straight away.Forty Two wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:55 pmDoesn't sound like free universal healthcare for all, though. I thought that's what Joe said was needed.JimC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:36 pmAt least in comparison to the US. Healthcare is free to those on low incomes or pensions (via bulk billing or a healthcare card), and for most others is subsidised. Public hospital treatment is free. You can also take out health insurance and go private if you wish, so we haven't gone all Marxist on freedom of choice, either...
Here in the US healthcare is free for children, and those on low incomes and pensioners (retirees).
Now, for most it's subsidized too. However, before Obamacare tripled the premiums, even though it wasn't subsidized, individual coverage was relatively inexpensive.
Not sure why you'd need private health insurance, if health care is free for all at the point of service and hospital treatment is free.... sounds like a lot of stuff isn't covered under the "free" part.
There was a push years ago by the Howard government to move people onto private care, for the obvious reason of reducing government expense. If you earn over a certain amount (something like $70k?) you have to pay another 1% tax if you don't have private insurance. This encouraged a lot of people to take out private healthcare, but over time more and more people are realising that the quality of private care isn't any better than public care, and that you still are considerably out of pocket with private care. With public care you pay zero at point of service.When describing the US health insurance, it's described as people dying in the streets because they can't get care, because health care insurance wasn't mandatory, and only low income and the elderly received medicare and medicaid, and children got SCHIP. However, sounds like most of your population has to pay for insurance there, and there must be significant services not covered, or else there would be no reason to have a private insurance market on top of the "free" universal health care.
As has been pointed out to you a number of times, premiums and deductibles went down for the lower strata of society. Those able to afford it, like you, are required to pay more. This is the reality if you want a progressive style taxation/insurance system. I agree Obamacare is a fucking terrible system, more of a gift to the insurance industry than a healthcare system, but it did make healthcare more accessible for the lower class.We were doing pretty well here, too, until about 2013, when Obamacare kicked in. Then the shit hit the fan, and now I pay as much for health insurance as for my mortgage. It's madness. Prior to Obamacare, I bought health insurance for the whole family for less than 1/4 of the price. If you told me 4 years ago that I would be paying what I'm paying now, I would have thought you mad. Not possible. What I'm paying now for a bronze level policy is more than the most expensive policy offered four years ago.
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What do you mean by "elective" surgery? Planned in advance? Or optional (like cosmetic surgery)?
LOL 1% tax on $70k as an incentive to get insurance -- that would mean a man making $100,000 would get hit for an extra Grover ($1,000 bill)? That's less than 2/3 of my post-Obamashit MONTHLY private health insurance bill.
And, as has been pointed out to you many times, you are believing the wrong people when you think premiums went down for the lower strata of society. The lower strata were already getting free $0 healthcare through Medicaid. Most of those getting subsidies are STILL paying more now than they would have before. The only difference is they were forced to buy it. The unsubsidized portion for most people is HIGHER than what was available to them previously. That's a fact. No matter how many times you - in Australia -- without any real info except your faith in bullshit sources - "point it out" it doesn't change reality. I'm pointing it out to you - again - that it ain't fucking true - and I've given sources for this before that have gone unrebutted.
LOL 1% tax on $70k as an incentive to get insurance -- that would mean a man making $100,000 would get hit for an extra Grover ($1,000 bill)? That's less than 2/3 of my post-Obamashit MONTHLY private health insurance bill.
And, as has been pointed out to you many times, you are believing the wrong people when you think premiums went down for the lower strata of society. The lower strata were already getting free $0 healthcare through Medicaid. Most of those getting subsidies are STILL paying more now than they would have before. The only difference is they were forced to buy it. The unsubsidized portion for most people is HIGHER than what was available to them previously. That's a fact. No matter how many times you - in Australia -- without any real info except your faith in bullshit sources - "point it out" it doesn't change reality. I'm pointing it out to you - again - that it ain't fucking true - and I've given sources for this before that have gone unrebutted.
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