Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

[Scot Dutchy]

Now you are just trying to find hurtful words. Sorry but I'm not playing that game you old cunt you.

You fucking started it you old git.

[Brian Peacock]

Settle down ladies. Don't make me use my ring hand.

[rainbow]

Now you are just trying to find hurtful words. Sorry but I'm not playing that game you old cunt you.

You fucking started it you old git.

Get a room you - two kiss and cuddle and make up.

[Scot Dutchy]

I offered to buy him a beer if I could.

[rainbow]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... overnment/

I thought it was beneath contempt?

[Scot Dutchy]

This is not behind the pay wall:

Brexit: senior minister could be suspended over legal advice

MPs will hold debate on Tuesday after Speaker John Bercow accepted contempt motion

Just adding to May's problems.

[Brian Peacock]

It's not just a minister, the attorney general Geoffrey Cox, but the government itself which is being charged with being in contempt of Parliament over the non-publication of legal opinions upon which Mr May's government preferred Brexit solution is based.

It was interesting to hear a run of former Tory big wigs on the radio this morning (the government being wise enough not to put a minister up to justify its non-compliance with the sovereign will of parliament) pressing home the point that the government's legal advice is essentially covered by regular lawyer-client confidentiality rules. This, while obviously amounting to the government's media-facing excuse, is disingenuous and only reinforces the contempt of Parliament charge.

The point of all this is that if Parliament, as the sovereign body of the land, is to decide by the end of the week what form the next stage of the Brexit process will be and, crucially, if it's to seriously consider the government's proposed solution, it should be as fully informed on the legal considerations and ramifications as the government itself.

Unfortunately, at every stage of this shoddy affair, from the announcement of the referendum onwards, the Conservative government has sought to sideline Parliament and undermine its sovereign authority. We# no doubt all remember the reaction of the government and their friends in the press when the Supreme Court ruled that Brexit should be a parliamentary decision rather than a decision for government alone...



As I've said before, if we're to hold true the Leave campaigns' claims that Brexit was about sovereignty and Britain being free to make decisions for itself, about 'Taking back control', then that necessarily means acknowledging that, in our hotch-potch constitutional system, it is Parliament, not the party in power, which lends its authority to government - and not the other way around.

The government's willful non-compliance with Parliament's request that it makes its legal advice on its Brexit proposal available only confirms the self-serving nature of Tory politics, of their 'born to rule' attitude which, at every turn, has put their own political interests ahead of the interest of the nation. By their action they are not only in contempt of Parliament, but they are giving face to the contempt they have for the British people.

[rainbow]

Yes but if they publish this advice it will be clear that the deal is nothing like what the Brits voted for.

[Scot Dutchy]

What did the Brits vote for? That is the fundamental problem. You could never have a binary answer to such a complex question. For the Brexiteers it was obvious; get out before the EU tax law came into effect. For the rest bugger the country. Brexit had failed. The EU was even more united.

[rainbow]

What did the Brits vote for? That is the fundamental problem. You could never have a binary answer to such a complex question. For the Brexiteers it was obvious; get out before the EU tax law came into effect. For the rest bugger the country. Brexit had failed. The EU was even more united.

They voted to keep them foreigners out.
Turns out that nothing will change in that regard.

But they will get a different coloured passport, and get to stand in the long queue at the airport when they go on their package tour.

[Scot Dutchy]

They can feel what real non-Europeanism really means. Hi Rum are you there welcome to the 51st. state. Coming into the UK there will be a special Blue channel for Brits, Americans and the odds and sods with blue passports.

[Rum]

They can feel what real non-Europeanism really means. Hi Rum are you there welcome to the 51st. state. Coming into the UK there will be a special Blue channel for Brits, Americans and the odds and sods with blue passports.

As ever your desire to believe reality is what you wish it to be is showing you up. As I’ve said many times I voted remain. The fact that I stand up to your prejudiced hatred of your country of origin is another matter altogether and has no relation to what I voted at the time.

[Scot Dutchy]

Really

[Rum]

Really

Yes really. Are you suggesting I’m lying about the way I voted?

[Brian Peacock]

Full Brexit legal advice to be published after MPs find UK Government in contempt of Parliament

Theresa May's Government is to release its legal advice on the Brexit deal on Wednesday, after being found in contempt of Parliament over its refusal to publish it in full.

In dramatic scenes at Westminster, the Prime Minister's Democratic Unionist Party allies joined Labour and other opposition parties to inflict defeat on the Government by 311 votes to 293. The humiliating division came shortly before Prime Minister Theresa May was due to open a five-day debate on her deal, amid widespread expectations that her proposals are set for rejection by MPs.

Labour's shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer said that the finding of contempt was "a badge of shame" for the Government, with "huge constitutional and political significance".

It is the first time in modern history that a Government has been found in contempt of Parliament. "It is highly regrettable that the Government has let it come to this, but ministers left the opposition with no option but to bring forward these proceedings," said Sir Keir.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-w ... d-13686932

I'm going to be interested in what the government and their apologists in the press have to say tomorrow - will they be contrite or combative?