US 2018 November elections

[JimC]

In Oz, we have compulsory voting, and an independent Electoral Commission to handle both voter registration and electoral boundaries, both at a state and federal level. It's certainly not perfect - both our Aboriginal population and the homeless may end up not registered, but there is relatively little chance of systematic, party based rorting for political advantage...

[Hermit]

"How paid family leave hurts women"

Editor's note: Vanessa Brown Calder is a policy analyst at the Cato Institute, where she focuses on social welfare, housing and urban policy. The views expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author.

About Cato: The Cato Institute is a public policy research organization — a think tank — dedicated to the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets...

It is also founded by Charles G. Koch and funded by the Koch brothers.

In other words, a radical libertarian regards Trump's proposal insufficiently libertarian.

Unless you didn't know any of that, I really doubt your honesty for posting this profoundly misleading crap.

[Scot Dutchy]

Honesty? Does that word exist in the Trumpet's vocabulary?

[Forty Two]

"How paid family leave hurts women"

Editor's note: Vanessa Brown Calder is a policy analyst at the Cato Institute, where she focuses on social welfare, housing and urban policy. The views expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author.

About Cato: The Cato Institute is a public policy research organization — a think tank — dedicated to the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets...

It is also founded by Charles G. Koch and funded by the Koch brothers.

In other words, a radical libertarian regards Trump's proposal insufficiently libertarian.

Unless you didn't know any of that, I really doubt your honesty for posting this profoundly misleading crap.

CNN was glad to print it, of course, because it criticized Trump. That's their aim, and that's the point of the meme. Doubt my honesty? You proved it was honest.

Also, it's a meme, dude. A single frame cartoon. It's not the same as an argument. If you don't understand that, go "fact check" some of the jokes posted about Trump. You think all of those are dead-balls-on-accurate?

[Forty Two]

Brilliant! You can find a lot more of those here.

Infowars. Of course.

The NPC meme wasn't invented by infowars. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/npc-wojak

But, keep getting bent out of shape about memes - when they're directed at your side, of course. LOL

[Forty Two]

As for voter ID laws being a means of disproportionally suppressing minority vote, that is a fact, whether you care to acknowledge it or not.

It's not a "fact" - there is an argument, but that argument isn't very strong, nor is the data. The argument correlates a supposed lower voting rate for blacks and hispanics because of voter ID. However, there is no showing that the voter ID is causing people who were eligible to vote to not vote.

Voter ID laws may correlate also to the rate of 18 to 21 year olds who actually turn out to vote. However, I would not attribute that non-voting to the need for an ID.

Most major western industrialized country has ID requirements to vote.

If the argument you present is correct, then any requirement of an ID for any purpose is just as racist as you claim it to be for voting. If blacks and hispanics are "less likely to have photo IDs," then it's harder for them to buy cigarettes, buy alcohol, pick up certain prescription medications that require photo ID to be presented (like the prescriptions that were being used to make Meth), to cash a check somewhere, to open a bank account, to get a social security card, to get a job (ID is required for all jobs in the US to comply with I-9 Employment Eligibility Verification), to drive a car...

Are blacks and hispanics less likely to smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol? If they're less likely to have ID, then they are more likely to be refused service because of a lack of ID. Are blacks and Hispanics less likely to be able to get certain prescription drugs? Cash checks?

To illustrate -

[Hermit]

"How paid family leave hurts women"

Editor's note: Vanessa Brown Calder is a policy analyst at the Cato Institute, where she focuses on social welfare, housing and urban policy. The views expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author.

About Cato: The Cato Institute is a public policy research organization — a think tank — dedicated to the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets...

It is also founded by Charles G. Koch and funded by the Koch brothers.

In other words, a radical libertarian regards Trump's proposal insufficiently libertarian.

Unless you didn't know any of that, I really doubt your honesty for posting this profoundly misleading crap.

CNN was glad to print it, of course, because it criticized Trump. That's their aim, and that's the point of the meme. Doubt my honesty? You proved it was honest.

Which part of "The views expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author." are you having difficulty comprehending? I'd prefer to think you are dense rather than dishonest, but I fear you're the latter. Memes can exaggerate, ridicule, be frivolous or just plain funny and so on. I'm OK with that, even if the choice of its target is not to my liking. This meme, however, is an utter lie, which is unacceptable. It purports to highlight CNN's hypocrisy via an alleged editorial about face when it has explicitly, expressly done no such thing, and you fucking well know it. I regard your reply as another unsuccessful attempt to weasel out of an uncomfortable situation.



"Yabbut, I don't feel uncomfortable" in...

[Sean Hayden]

Buying smokes and booze without an id is slightly easier than voting without one, and it's hardly a stretch to assume many of the unemployed no longer have a valid id. Yeah, it's more likely that certain people will have a harder time with all those things.

It really could be a problem when you take all of them into consideration. We need a figure.

[Tero]

The people with low income tend to move more. They donot own their homes. The ID is valid for driving etc whether the address is current or not. They do not get a new ID until it expires.

[Sean Hayden]

Yep, that's another group. It really can add up. I'd like to see a figure.

[laklak]

So go get an updated ID. Simple. You are legally required, in Florida, to change your driver's license address within 30 days of moving, or you'll be fined if they catch you driving. You can do it in person, by mail, or on-line. The problematic part is the $25 fee, which seems excessive to me. You should get at least one free one a year.

[Forty Two]

"How paid family leave hurts women"

Editor's note: Vanessa Brown Calder is a policy analyst at the Cato Institute, where she focuses on social welfare, housing and urban policy. The views expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author.

About Cato: The Cato Institute is a public policy research organization — a think tank — dedicated to the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets...

It is also founded by Charles G. Koch and funded by the Koch brothers.

In other words, a radical libertarian regards Trump's proposal insufficiently libertarian.

Unless you didn't know any of that, I really doubt your honesty for posting this profoundly misleading crap.

CNN was glad to print it, of course, because it criticized Trump. That's their aim, and that's the point of the meme. Doubt my honesty? You proved it was honest.

Which part of "The views expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author." are you having difficulty comprehending? I'd prefer to think you are dense rather than dishonest, but I fear you're the latter.

Dude, it's a fucking meme for shits and giggles. I did not fact check it beforehand. It's published on CNN, the order of the publications are what make it funny. Cut it out with the passive aggressive bullshit.

Memes can exaggerate, ridicule, be frivolous or just plain funny and so on.

Exactly, just how SJWs and anti-Trumpers aren't really Non-Playable Characters in video games.
Fact check! They're all dishonest!

I'm OK with that, even if the choice of its target is not to my liking. This meme, however, is an utter lie, which is unacceptable. It purports to highlight CNN's hypocrisy via an alleged editorial about face when it has explicitly, expressly done no such thing, and you fucking well know it. I regard your reply as another unsuccessful attempt to weasel out of an uncomfortable situation.


"Yabbut, I don't feel uncomfortable" in...

If laughing at your evident rage about this silly thing is discomfort, then sure, I'm super-uncomfortable. LOL.

Go on. Go fact check some more memes. I'll do a few, and point out that Trump's appearance is being blatantly misrepresented, because he doesn't really look like the caricatures. And, when they say he's "literally Hitler" or a "fascist" I'll point out the factual inaccuracies and call people liars. LOL

[Forty Two]

So go get an updated ID. Simple. You are legally required, in Florida, to change your driver's license address within 30 days of moving, or you'll be fined if they catch you driving. You can do it in person, by mail, or on-line. The problematic part is the $25 fee, which seems excessive to me. You should get at least one free one a year.

Driver license and state ID are free to anyone with income below the poverty line. Otherwise, it's $25. Also, homeless people may get a state ID for free.

Lots of different IDs work - driver license, state ID, student ID, military ID, concealed carry permit, passport ID, homeowner association ID, public assistance card, government employee ID, and even a debit or credit card!

Add to that, if you do not have an ID, or you forgot to bring it with you to the polling place - you still get to vote on a provisional ballot. So, nobody is denied the right to vote.

We moved recently, and I trotted over to the local DMV (they're all over the place) and I changed the address, and got a new voter ID card set up instantly. My wife didn't feel like going there, so she did both online. English is her second language and she's a member of an oppressed minority, but but she was able to figure it out without the help of a man or a white person.

All registered voters may vote by "absentee" ballot, even if you're not absentee - that's voting by mail. That's similar to voting by provisional ballot, because there is no ID requirement.

What more should Florida do? Don't bother registering people, and anybody who wants to vote, just show up and vote, and we go on the honor system?

[Forty Two]

The people with low income tend to move more. They donot own their homes. The ID is valid for driving etc whether the address is current or not. They do not get a new ID until it expires.

Not accurate at all. They get new IDs when they move, and they're legally required to do so. Also, low income people get free IDs. Also, they can use their credit or debit card as an ID.

Or, if they didn't bother complying with the law, they can simply vote by provisional ballot.

Moreover, if people fail to update their ID, and their registration to vote, then they are still counted as a constituent of their prior address, and their polling place will be where they used to live, not where they live now.

If they haven't updated their ID, they can also vote by absentee ballot. But, I guess they're oppressed by having to put a stamp on the envelope. That is discriminatory against women and minorities. White men are way better at stamps.

[Forty Two]

Buying smokes and booze without an id is slightly easier than voting without one, and it's hardly a stretch to assume many of the unemployed no longer have a valid id. Yeah, it's more likely that certain people will have a harder time with all those things.

It really could be a problem when you take all of them into consideration. We need a figure.

Do you at least admit that if having an ID is more difficult for blacks, and requiring an ID for voting is racist as a result, then it necessarily follows that requiring an ID to drive, smoke, drink, purchase certain prescription medications, cash checks, get hired for a job, apply for school admission, apply for state benefits, etc., is also racist?

If not, why not?