Kavanaugh hearing

[Tero]

I do have experience around teens in the critical 14-15 range when bad things happen.

I was both in US and Finnish schools just those years. At 15-16 you could quit regular school in Finland, and go to trade school. Those boys and girls were showing some independence. Some girls brought wine to school to a school dance. We had hired a real band. The school found the wine and the girls were expelled. They went to a trade school anyway so itdid not matter. The rest went to "gymnasium". I was no longer in the school, but ages 16-19 there were 3 goals:
1 student exams at end
2 university exams and a field to study
3 lose virginity

They had more time together as the vocational schools separated girls and boys other than business and accounting line. So they had to start drinking together outdoors weather permitting.

[Tero]

There is just so much shit here, from 42, Cunt and Galaxian et al. I thought I would just summarize what they are saying. It's from THE ONION:

My own take is that the slut is not applying to the Supreme Court, the teen alcoholic is.

[Forty Two]

Who hasn't done a bit of bar room brawling? It's normal behaviour, even for supreme court judges. Also, everyone lies too, so lying about it is ok as well.

Hey, I like beer. Do you like beer? Do you... DO YOU...??

Are we really going to suggest that Kavanaugh is the first SCOTUS Justice, President, Congressperson, who was in a bar room fight or got drunk? In Oz, they just have fistfights on Parliament floor - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn ... fight.html

The Democrats recently were lauding the honorable career of John McCain, who they lamented was not the leader of the GOP of late -- so honorable - such a fearless, wonderful leader.... but when he was in the military and as a high school and college age young man he repeatedly got in fights and drank and the like.

John McCain and Hillary Clinton bragged about having a "drinking contest" in Estonia - doing shots of vodka.

John Adams drank hard cider for breakfast. William Henry Harrison sullied Martin Van Buren's name, calling him an alcoholic, and Van Buren used to drink so much he was nicknamed Blue Whisky Van and would drink solidly for days. Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan - both hard drinkers all their lives - not just as young men, but during their presidencies. Ulysses S Grant won the Civil War drunk.

Come the fuck on, people. Really? Has everyone gone fucking bonkers?

What is happening to everyone?

[Sean Hayden]

Jesus, it's the same old shit man. A guy can't flip burgers drunk. But you don't care if he flies the fucking plane. People are tired of double standards dude. You're okay with Bush having done cocaine. I want to know how he sat on his ass in the White House while others are doing time for shit he got away with, and he did it as the president of a party in love with a punitive justice system!

What is happening to everyone? Have they all gone bonkers?

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The above is not intended to be a serious response, but it does make a serious point.

[Sean Hayden]

Anyway, the point was almost certainly not that he drank but that he downplayed how bad his behaviour was. Maybe he shouldn't have had to answer for it, but he did and not very well.

Why did you make it about drinking? Did you think that's what Brian meant?

[Animavore]

Rape apologetics?

[Tero]

he should have taken lessons from Bill Cosby
of course Bill had to experiment with the first 5, after that it was a routine, no big deal

[Cunt]

If you are going to do rape apologetics, you should probably decide which definition you are going to use first, Animavore

[L'Emmerdeur]

Despite the repeated claims to the contrary in this thread, Mark Judge never claimed that Blasey Ford's accusation is false. He said he "does not recall" the incident.

[Cunt]

Despite the repeated claims to the contrary in this thread, Feinstein is a principal player.

[Forty Two]

Despite the repeated claims to the contrary in this thread, Mark Judge never claimed that Blasey Ford's accusation is false. He said he "does not recall" the incident.

Despite the repeated claims to the contrary in this thread, Mark Judge did claim that Blasey Ford's accusation is false when he said, and I quote, "“I never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes."

[Cunt]

I'm going for a run to celebrate a pal's birthday. Come along, Forty Two These fuckers are immune.

[Forty Two]

Anyway, the point was almost certainly not that he drank but that he downplayed how bad his behaviour was. Maybe he shouldn't have had to answer for it, but he did and not very well.

Why did you make it about drinking? Did you think that's what Brian meant?

That's your interpretation, not his statements. He literally said he drank as a teenager, and that he sometimes drank way too much. What he denied was being "black out" drunk." One can drink very heavily and not be "black out drunk." I didn't make it about drinking. If Kavanaugh made a misstatement, feel free to quote him. Saying that you think he "downplayed" it says nothing. It might have made you happier for him to have phrased it in a worse light, but as far as we know, and as far as you know, as far as anyone knows, he accurately described his drinking. Some of his high school classmates characterize his drinking one way, others characterize it another, and probably their characterizations depend in part on what they themselves consider heavy or unusual drinking. Some kids in high school who never drink would see a person chugging beers and think that's extreme and feel that he can't possibly not have had black out incidents - but those kids aren't necessarily correct - others who themselves routinely drink multiple beers in a sitting would look at what Kavanaugh says he drank as common and not too excessive.

[Forty Two]

Jesus, it's the same old shit man. A guy can't flip burgers drunk. But you don't care if he flies the fucking plane. People are tired of double standards dude. You're okay with Bush having done cocaine. I want to know how he sat on his ass in the White House while others are doing time for shit he got away with, and he did it as the president of a party in love with a punitive justice system!

What is happening to everyone? Have they all gone bonkers?

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The above is not intended to be a serious response, but it does make a serious point.

We're not talking about him being a drunk now - we're talking about his drinking in high school and college. What the fuck is this? Choir practice at a local born again christian church, "doin' that Christian side-hug?" This is fucking Ratz, and you're going to sit here and say that someone DRINKING in college is disqualifying him from a job? What in the holy fuck?

Am I o.k. with Bush having done cocaine? Yes. I'm also o.k. with Obama having done cocaine, aren't you? https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/BothSid ... 754&page=1 You never saw me suggest otherwise.

Your nonserious but "serious point" was - "I want to know how he sat on his ass in the White House while others are doing time for shit he got away with, and he did it as the president of a party in love with a punitive justice system!" Oh, do you now? Do you want to know how Obama sat on his ass in the White House while others are doing time for shit he got away with? LOL. Of course....

There was probably as much excessive drinking at the last Ratz meetup as occurred at the parties Kavanaugh describes in the 80s.

You want to talk about hypocrisy? A bunch of people who call themselves Progressives sitting there saying a guy is disqualified from office because he drank and partied in fucking high school and college -- and saying that because he drank in high school and got drunk, it is an indication that he actually did attack Ford and just doesn't remember it. Literally heard that said repeatedly, and reported in mainstream media sources and said on MSNBC and CNN pundit programs - in all seriousness.

Jesus Tap Dancing Christ.

[laklak]

Neo-Puritans, that's what I'll call them.

Stop that dancing!