Kavanaugh hearing

[Tero]

Yes, absolutely you should only care if I'm being promoted to a high office. I mean isn't a big reason many of us will never run for office the skeletons in our closet? Some guys act like it should never weigh them down, and for some it never does. --god playing favorites if you ask me

So it isn't about the offense, the victim or the crime against society, but only about stopping a *gasp* teenaged-drinker from getting a job.

OK, I still don't care about this 'issue' either. Just about the optics.

From the balance of the facts, it doesn't look like these two were "enemies" anyway.

date rape
very common

How often have you done it yourself?

How often have you witnessed it yourself?

If your answer is greater than zero in either case, I would like to ask some follow-up questions.

You have to be kidding. I was not drunk till 20s and my women experience is nearly the minimum. You are doing the Kavanaugh thing
Senator: Have you ever blacked out while drunk?
Kavanaugh: have you?

You were the one who claimed that 'date rape' (however you define that term) is very common.

Is that not what you meant?

We do not know if Kavanaugh has a skeleton in his closet.

I can live with that. We've already gone over this. I said it's enough to require evidence. What we ought to avoid is attempting to discredit Ford. I mean today you've gone so far as to talk about her own wild side. Why do you feel that is relevant? Cunt wanted to go down that path from day 1. Why would he want to do that?

He would want to do that, because he wanted to know if the picture the accuser was painting was an accurate one.

When someone paints themselves as innocent, or nearly so (I had ONE beer) it sounds a bit...um...motivated.

Who attempted to scrub her yearbooks, and why? That might be more interesting than the fact that she was a drunken teen idiot, much like Kavanaugh and Judge are claimed to be.

If her claim is important, investigating it is at least as important.

Unless you just want to cry 'rape' and attack, of course. For that it's best if there is no fact revealed.

Date rape:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.4406603

[Cunt]

No, you're really not. You're still coming across as though you're talking to an idea rather than me. Or is there someone else here who can vouch for your interpretation of what I've said? Would anyone else like to explain how what I've written can be interpreted to mean that I don't think Ford matters? Or that I'm only looking to get rid of a Republican?

--maybe this is just more of that keen perception of yours at work?

Sorry, how about asking directly...

Does Ford matter?

Should her testimony be examined and verified if possible? Or is her claim enough?

Does it matter if she is found to be lying/mistaken/incorrect about substantive parts of her claim?

It sounds to me like you wouldn't dismiss her claim even if it didn't have enough facts included to verify or debunk. I would say that means that she doesn't matter to you. (I could be wrong about that) and only the fact that there IS a claim against the candidate is enough to cast him aside.

good dismantling

It looks like this article claims to have proof that K was lying, and insists that F wasn't.

My posts only changed in response to what I saw as unnecessary and ugly behavior towards a possible victim of assault. Yet you've managed to come to the conclusion that I don't care about Ford, and it's just about getting a Republican.

I don't think it's a big deal. Like I said I think you're pretty much just arguing against an idea and it's convenient for you to put that idea on me for the sake of making your points. --cool, I'm sure I do that too from time to time.

No, I think if you are going to disbelieve one based on their statements being proven false, then you have to do the same to the other. That's why I can't say either is lying.

I also can't say that either looks honest. From the yearbooks being removed, to facts not aligning, Ford looks like she is either lying or misremembering (same outcome)

For me, if I choose to believe both of them, the story becomes a lot clearer. One drunken reveler accuses another of inappropriate revelry, at a party she thinks he attended years ago.

The other drunken reveler denies it.

So why the big show? I don't know...seems like someone went to find a lurid and entertaining sex scandal to get everyone ready for mid-terms.

I saw a the article from Seabass which shows inconsistencies in Kavanaughs words. What stood out for me though, was that it didn't take any effort to examine Fords.

I guess Ford doesn't matter to the author.

[Cunt]

date rape
very common

How often have you done it yourself?

How often have you witnessed it yourself?

If your answer is greater than zero in either case, I would like to ask some follow-up questions.

You have to be kidding. I was not drunk till 20s and my women experience is nearly the minimum. You are doing the Kavanaugh thing
Senator: Have you ever blacked out while drunk?
Kavanaugh: have you?

Date rape:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.4406603

So your definition, provided by an opinion piece in Canadas version of 'Pravda', is clear. Again, you say it's very common.

How often have you witnessed it? Have you ever reported it when you witnessed this 'very common' problem?

[Tero]

date rape
very common

How often have you done it yourself?

How often have you witnessed it yourself?

If your answer is greater than zero in either case, I would like to ask some follow-up questions.

You have to be kidding. I was not drunk till 20s and my women experience is nearly the minimum. You are doing the Kavanaugh thing
Senator: Have you ever blacked out while drunk?
Kavanaugh: have you?

Date rape:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.4406603

So your definition, provided by an opinion piece in Canadas version of 'Pravda', is clear. Again, you say it's very common.

How often have you witnessed it? Have you ever reported it when you witnessed this 'very common' problem?

Rapes are not usually reported. 2.5 per 1000 persons are currently reported per year. I've witnessed classmates about 15 having sex while on a class trip. They were completely consensual, they had to be, boys had smuggled girls into the youth hostel boys' quarters. They even bragged about having brought condoms before that night. That sums up my having seen anyone other than me have sex.


Reasons victims did not report sexual violence to law enforcement (2005-2010)[30]
20% Feared retaliation
13% Believed the police would not do anything to help
13% Believed it was a personal matter
8% Reported to non-law-enforcement official
8% Believed it was not important enough to report
7% Did not want to get the perpetrator in trouble
2% Believed the police could not do anything to help
30% Other or multiple reasons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States

[Tero]

Turtle McConnel has found out that Kavanaugh drank beer in high school!

48% of Americans say No Kavanaugh
Low 40% say yes

[Brian Peacock]

God he's a disingenuous prig.

[Seabass]

Another one.

[Cunt]

Rapes are not usually reported. 2.5 per 1000 persons are currently reported per year. I've witnessed classmates about 15 having sex while on a class trip. They were completely consensual, they had to be, boys had smuggled girls into the youth hostel boys' quarters. They even bragged about having brought condoms before that night. That sums up my having seen anyone other than me have sex.


Reasons victims did not report sexual violence to law enforcement (2005-2010)[30]
20% Feared retaliation
13% Believed the police would not do anything to help
13% Believed it was a personal matter
8% Reported to non-law-enforcement official
8% Believed it was not important enough to report
7% Did not want to get the perpetrator in trouble
2% Believed the police could not do anything to help
30% Other or multiple reasons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States

It's pretty bad. I get a bit calloused to it, to be honest. It sounds a lot like privilege again. That's because I'm in the same boat as you. My people don't put up with that stuff.

The only assaults I have encountered (with work) were so much more horrible that it skews my sympathy, I guess.

Glad your life, like mine, is good enough to not encounter this. In the group around me, even a hint of domestic abuse would have someone ejected. It's happened fairly recently. One guy no-one talks to anymore.

[Joe]

Kavanaugh College Visit to Bar Erupted in Fight, Classmate Says

Future Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh and two fellow Yale University students were in an off-campus bar back in 1985.

They had just come from seeing the English reggae band UB40 at a nearby venue in New Haven, Connecticut, when they saw a man who resembled the lead singer. The man told the trio he wasn’t the singer and brusquely told them to stop looking at him. Kavanaugh couldn’t let the comment pass, according to one of the two friends with Kavanaugh that night.

Kavanaugh first cursed at the man. After the man responded in kind, Kavanaugh threw a beer in his face, said Charles Ludington, a former Yale basketball player who’s now a history professor at North Carolina State University. The act precipitated a brawl that drew in their other friend -- Yale basketball star and future NBA player Chris Dudley -- and eventually prompted a call to police.

Kavanaugh was frequently “belligerent and aggressive” after drinking and had lied to senators about his experience with alcohol, Ludington said in a statement released to the news media Sunday. The barroom fisticuffs were the most searing example of Kavanaugh’s behavior he remembers, Ludington said in an interview with Bloomberg News, where he expanded on his statement for the first time.

“It was sort of a general feature of hanging out with Brett in college,” he said in an interview. “When you’re having beers on a Friday or Saturday night, that was kind of Brett’s shtick. He was aggressive. He was belligerent.”

The White House had no immediate comment when asked about Ludington’s account, instead referring a reporter to statements issued earlier by Dudley and another classmate attesting to Kavanaugh’s character.

The New York Times, citing what the paper said was a copy of a police report, said Kavanaugh and four other men were questioned by the New Haven Police Department. Kavanaugh was not arrested but the 21-year-old victim, Dom Cozzolino, told police that Kavanaugh threw ice at him. A witness said Dudley hit the man in his right ear with a glass, which the report said resulted in injuries that were treated at a hospital.

Bah! What's a little brawling among Senators, nominees, and friends? Nothing to see here.

[pErvinalia]

Who hasn't done a bit of bar room brawling? It's normal behaviour, even for supreme court judges. Also, everyone lies too, so lying about it is ok as well.

[Galaxian]

He never denied that he drank heavily. He denied blacking out. Most people consider heavy drinking to include blacking out, but blacking out is not required for one to be drinking heavily. He's not denying anything he says he has no memory of.

Don't you get it?
If a woman is crying, she MUST be a victim!
And don't you DARE try to suggest that being complicit in these kind of parties is something for women to be held to account for. Only MEN (or older boys) are responsible enough to be held accountable for allowing drunken groping to go unchecked. Women couldn't do anything about it, because they are only victims.
Even if they are quoted in their yearbook as going cruising for younger boys.

Infact it's even worse: Infant males are also responsible. Indeed, unless they were delivered by caesarean section, baby boys should be arrested for raping their mother by inserting themselves into her vagina!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1asJcvPjI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNTc5xpiiv8

I do have experience with teens in the critical 14-15 range when bad things happen.

For your own protection... care to rephrase that?

This is the conclusion of Rachel Mitchell, the veteran sex crimes prosecutor, who questioned Blasey Ford on behalf of the Judiciary Committee:
https://www.scribd.com/document/3898217 ... from_embed
"In the legal context, here is my bottom line: A “he said, she said” case is incredibly difficult to prove. But this case is even weaker than that. Dr. Ford identified other witnesses to the event, and those witnesses either refuted her allegations or failed to corroborate them. For the reasons discussed below, I do not think that a reasonable prosecutor would bring this case based on the evidence before the Committee. Nor do I believe that this evidence is sufficient to satisfy the preponderance-of-the-evidence standard....
...Dr. Ford “has not offered a consistent account of when the alleged assault happened.”...
...“has struggled to identify Judge Kavanaugh as the assailant by name.”...
...“when speaking with her husband, Dr. Ford changed her description of the incident to become less specific.”...
...“Dr. Ford has no memory of key details of the night in question – details that could help corroborate her account.”...
...“Dr. Ford’s Account of the Alleged Assault Has Not Been Corroborated by Anyone She Identified as Having Attended – Including Her Lifelong Friend.”...
...“Dr. Ford has not offered a consistent account of the alleged attack.”...
...her “account of who was at the party has been inconsistent.”...
...“Dr. Ford has struggled to recall important recent events relating to her allegations, and her testimony regarding recent events raises further questions about her memory.”...
...“Dr. Ford’s explanation of why she disclosed her allegations the way she did raises questions.”...
...“Dr. Ford’s description of the psychological impact of the event raises questions.”...
...“the activities of Congressional Democrats and Dr. Ford’s attorneys likely affected Dr. Ford’s account.”...

Brett Kavanaugh has no case to answer. This witch hunt has been a perfidious scam from the outset.

[Scot Dutchy]

What a load of rubbish but what else can we expect. A few nuggets of knowledge?

[Brian Peacock]

Who hasn't done a bit of bar room brawling? It's normal behaviour, even for supreme court judges. Also, everyone lies too, so lying about it is ok as well.

Hey, I like beer. Do you like beer? Do you... DO YOU...??

[Brian Peacock]

He never denied that he drank heavily. He denied blacking out. Most people consider heavy drinking to include blacking out, but blacking out is not required for one to be drinking heavily. He's not denying anything he says he has no memory of.

Don't you get it?
If a woman is crying, she MUST be a victim!
And don't you DARE try to suggest that being complicit in these kind of parties is something for women to be held to account for. Only MEN (or older boys) are responsible enough to be held accountable for allowing drunken groping to go unchecked. Women couldn't do anything about it, because they are only victims.
Even if they are quoted in their yearbook as going cruising for younger boys.

Infact it's even worse: Infant males are also responsible. Indeed, unless they were delivered by caesarean section, baby boys should be arrested for raping their mother by inserting themselves into her vagina!

---

I do have experience with teens in the critical 14-15 range when bad things happen.

For your own protection... care to rephrase that?

This is the conclusion of Rachel Mitchell, the veteran sex crimes prosecutor, who questioned Blasey Ford on behalf of the Judiciary Committee:
https://www.scribd.com/document/3898217 ... from_embed
"In the legal context, here is my bottom line: A “he said, she said” case is incredibly difficult to prove. But this case is even weaker than that. Dr. Ford identified other witnesses to the event, and those witnesses either refuted her allegations or failed to corroborate them. For the reasons discussed below, I do not think that a reasonable prosecutor would bring this case based on the evidence before the Committee. Nor do I believe that this evidence is sufficient to satisfy the preponderance-of-the-evidence standard....
...Dr. Ford “has not offered a consistent account of when the alleged assault happened.”...
...“has struggled to identify Judge Kavanaugh as the assailant by name.”...
...“when speaking with her husband, Dr. Ford changed her description of the incident to become less specific.”...
...“Dr. Ford has no memory of key details of the night in question – details that could help corroborate her account.”...
...“Dr. Ford’s Account of the Alleged Assault Has Not Been Corroborated by Anyone She Identified as Having Attended – Including Her Lifelong Friend.”...
...“Dr. Ford has not offered a consistent account of the alleged attack.”...
...her “account of who was at the party has been inconsistent.”...
...“Dr. Ford has struggled to recall important recent events relating to her allegations, and her testimony regarding recent events raises further questions about her memory.”...
...“Dr. Ford’s explanation of why she disclosed her allegations the way she did raises questions.”...
...“Dr. Ford’s description of the psychological impact of the event raises questions.”...
...“the activities of Congressional Democrats and Dr. Ford’s attorneys likely affected Dr. Ford’s account.”...

Brett Kavanaugh has no case to answer. This witch hunt has been a perfidious scam from the outset.

I'm sure the established uber-state is both heartened and encouraged by your stalwart support of their quiet usurping of US democracy. With Galaxian on their side the Koch Brothers and their mega-corp allies can sleep soundly in their beds at night, secure in the knowledge that with The Great Galaxian in their corner their dynastic ambitions to exert control over all three branches of government can now only succeed.

[JimC]

Galaxian, champion of the oppressed corporate sector!