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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:19 am

It really is greed, isn't it? No matter how much the neoliberals try to explain it away as trickle down.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:38 am

Inequality is America's biggest problem. Trump just keeps on making it worse. How do they know that unemployment is falling? By unemployment claims? A great way of collecting data. Like health no one really knows.
The trouble with wealth it produces hard data which the rich dont like. It is very visible.
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Post by Joe » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:20 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:38 am
Inequality is America's biggest problem. Trump just keeps on making it worse. How do they know that unemployment is falling? By unemployment claims? A great way of collecting data. Like health no one really knows.
The trouble with wealth it produces hard data which the rich dont like. It is very visible.
Exactly! If your unemployment runs out and you don't find work, or you quit looking, you aren't counted.

I pay no mind when the cheerleaders tout low unemployment. I can see the truth in my daily life.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:26 pm

I doubt if the American authorities really know much about their population. You dont have registration like we have in Europe (except for the UK of course) so how can you have hard data?
How many camps are there like the one shown in the photo? How is policy made?
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Post by Joe » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:33 pm

I have no idea, and the government can only guess, but I can take an hour ride around town on my bicycle and see from 3 to 10, depending on my route.

The thing is, the compassionate leaders of my city have made camping illegal, so the camps shift location regularly.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:01 pm

Nice of them. No want a garbage belt.
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Post by laklak » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:14 pm

Bring back the workhouse.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:27 pm

A lot of the counting of homeless is actually done by volunteers. There are several organizations that take part. For numbers in Houston you can check out sites like this one: http://www.homelesshouston.org/local-data-and-research/ which puts the number of homeless in this area at ~4,100 on any given night.

At the federal level the USCIOH United States Interagency Council on Homelessness has developed a plan for addressing youth homelessness. Their first criteria is the identification of all homeless youths:
The community identifies all unaccompanied youth experiencing homelessness.

The community uses coordinated outreach, in-reach, multiple data sources, and other methods to identify
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geographical area. Specifically, while recognizing that youth experiencing homelessness may move among a
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a. The community literally identifies every unaccompanied youth who is unsheltered, in shelter, or in
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b. The community coordinates a comprehensive set of strategies, spanning schools, the child welfare
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Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:32 pm

Supposedly a big part of our homeless problem is the result of closing down institutions. Apparently tax payers don't like the homeless and don't want to chip in to get them the help they need. --who'd a thunk it eh?
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Post by Rum » Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:01 pm

You seem to have a big shambling mess of a country and I like that. My daughter drove from somewhere near New York all the way to Southern California a couple of years ago with her boyfriend and she was struck by the number of people who just seemed to have pulled up at the roadside and set up home off the grid. You can’t do that pretty much anywhere in Europe.

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Re: Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:36 pm

Thank goodness we dont. That is pure poverty. Something to be proud of? Really? No health care. No nothing. If they die who bothers?
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Post by Rum » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:11 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
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Thank goodness we dont. That is pure poverty. Something to be proud of? Really? No health care. No nothing. If they die who bothers?
I'm sure a great deal of it is about poverty, but I also think it is hard for us Europeans to appreciate how deeply ingrained the desire for the gubmit to stay out of people's lives is over there. They put up with a great deal for that 'right'.

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Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:17 pm

Well, we do have really bad governments in a lot of respects. Would you want Indiana in your business? --be honest
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Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:19 pm

Until we as a people get better, keeping a bit of the fuck off Uncle Sam attitude is necessary.
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Re: Capitalism, The Best Solution to Poverty

Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:23 pm

How about Oklahoma? Have you ever been to Oklahoma? It's the only place I've ever been denied a hotel room. I get sick just thinking about dealing with Oklahoma.
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