Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

[Rum]

I've never read such claptrap. All this stuff about dominance in negotiations is bollocks.

Tescos are gigantic, compared to me. That means fuck-all. If Tescos demand too much, I don't go there. Simple as that. You lot don't seem to have even the most basic grasp of economics and deals.

That's why the no -deal option is so important. You don't give Tesco a guarantee that you will buy all your stuff there, and then ask them how much. I would have thought even you lot would be able to follow that.

That's an overly-simplistic, fallacious comparison, one that confuses consumerism for the kinds of international trade arrangements upon which consumerism relies.

Seems to me the only means by which you have to qualify your own opinion is to dismiss challenges to it out of hand, to call them crap or claptrap etc. That's essentially a religious debating tactic: "We are correct just because we are. Therefore you are wrong, and to say otherwise is tantamount to heresy." Except Brexitarians don't call their opponents heretics, they call them enemies of the people, saboteurs, mutineers, Project Fear, and Remoaners instead. Brexitarians denigrate their opponents in order to avoid meeting their challenges. They just can't be be arsed to put the work into supporting their own claims and assertions.

Forgive them Maggie - for they know not what they do.

I'm a remainiac me.

[Scot Dutchy]

You are not! You naughty boy.

[Brian Peacock]

Government position on EU trade: Crawford Falconer, the government’s chief trade negotiation adviser, tells the sitting Commons European scrutiny committee that the UK wants to 'transition across' the EU free trade agreements that the UK currently benefits from, so that after Brexit they continue to apply to the UK as a non-EU country.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/comm ... committee/

[Scot Dutchy]

Somebody should organise a fleet of white vans and take them all off to some island far away from normal people. They live in cloud cuckoo land.

[Svartalf]

they already are on some island... and far away from normal people if I judge by the fact the brexiteer vote won in the referendum

[Rum]

We are in the quarter finals! Proof that Brexit was right - see!?

[Scot Dutchy]

Yep the Brexiteers are crowing.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

Yet more scaremongery, I hear the Brextremists cry!

Jaguar Land Rover's £80bn UK investment plan at risk after hard Brexit

[rainbow]

Yet more scaremongery, I hear the Brextremists cry!

Jaguar Land Rover's £80bn UK investment plan at risk after hard Brexit

Why is there a problem?

The Japanese and Germans make better cars.
Even the French and Koreans make better cars.

[Svartalf]

I bet French made Jaguars would be better than British jaguars... will have to ask at a zoo about that.

[Scot Dutchy]

Yet more scaremongery, I hear the Brextremists cry!

Jaguar Land Rover's £80bn UK investment plan at risk after hard Brexit

Why is there a problem?

The Japanese and Germans make better cars.
Even the French and Koreans make better cars.

Anybody else makes better cars. Well almost... the Americans dont. Well...

[Brian Peacock]

Apart from a few luxury brands the UK car industry is all owned by the Japs, Krauts, and Frogs etc.

[Scot Dutchy]

Indians?

[Deep Sea Isopod]

The problem is the possibility of people losing their jobs.
But on the other hand, foreigners have probably already taken those jobs anyway.

[Brian Peacock]

What will Theresa May try to sell her cabinet?

The Chequers summit has been billed as the prime minister’s most dramatic showdown with her senior team ... since the last one. May is expected to push for a version of Brexit that will require her red lines to bend significantly – swallowing European Union regulations in some sectors, for example – to allow for a deal that won’t crash the economy.

Even more controversially, May appears likely to reintroduce key aspects of the new customs partnership – although this time the UK would set the tariffs on goods and technology would be used to maintain frictionless borders. Pro-Brexit ministers will want to see the details. May is under pressure to finally face down the hardliners in her cabinet, presenting them with some unpalatable truths. But some believe cabinet unity is more important to her, even at the expense of coming up with a deal Brussels can agree to, so more fudge could be on the cards.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... appen-next

I think Cabinet unity, which in effect is a totem for Parliamentary Conservative Party unity, is always going to be any Tory leader's main concern. More than any other party since the Second World War the Tory's have actualised a craven desire to rule over any amount of supposed principles and ideals. From Thatcher through to Cameron, and now with May, the Parliamentary party has always been happy to dump (and is increasingly divorced from) the core conservative values of its ageing membership. Today more than ever it represents and reflects a radial neo-liberal agenda that sees all human interactions as essentially transactional. There's no way May can wind the clock back on this now. No matter what soothing sounds she makes in public her party is set on a course which places party unity over any amount of reasoned national interest - and that which they have to unite around today is US-style, US-friendly nationalistic corporatism. Most of them would be happy to see the country go to the dogs as long as the Party remained united enough to keep its grubby butchers hands on the reins of power.