All Things Trump

[Tero]

Amazon owned by liberal, must punish!
Coors beer are union busting republicans, must reward somehow:
https://www.motherjones.com/food/2018/0 ... your-beer/
Joe sixpack will only be annoyed if he can’t get Bud Light!

[Scot Dutchy]

He could not outwit a paper bag. He cant talk never mind negotiating. His mind moves as fast as shit on a hot tin roof.

[Tero]

Same old all talk and no action:
The Trump administration’s drug price plan unveiled earlier this month largely embraced the status quo, leaning on dozens of regulatory tweaks and promises to tackle bigger issues down the road. Drug company critics panned it as soft and ineffectual, and pharmaceutical investors breathed a little easier.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/ ... zar-609169

[Scot Dutchy]

You did not expect Trump to actually do something?

[Brian Peacock]

Hmm. The relevance of fact-free conspiracy theories is for the public to decide, apparently.

Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani said on Sunday that his repeated imputations of a supposed scandal at the heart of the Robert Mueller investigation – which Donald Trump calls “Spygate” – amounted to a tactic to sway public opinion and limit the risk of the president being impeached.

“Of course we have to do it to defend the president,” Trump’s lawyer told CNN State of the Union host Dana Bash, who accused him of being part of a campaign to undermine the Mueller investigation. Trump has repeatedly called the special counsel’s work a “witch hunt”, despite its producing five guilty pleas, including by three former Trump aides, and evidence of Russian tampering in US elections.

“It is for public opinion,” Giuliani said of his public campaign of dissimulation. “Because eventually the decision here is going to be impeach or not impeach. Members of Congress, Democrats and Republicans, are going to be informed a lot by their constituents. And so our jury – and it should be – is the American people.

“So Republicans largely, many independents, even some Democrats now question the legitimacy of [the Mueller investigation],” Giuliani said. “Democrats I would suggest for their own self-interest, this is not a good issue to go into the midterms.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... _clipboard

Either they're so confident that they feel they can be this brazen about it, or Giuliani is just trying to get fired asap.

[pErvinalia]

I was going to say, he's due to be fired soon. But this will actually buy him some time. I doubt Trump can see that far ahead over Rudy's alleged loyalty there. Trump will love that shit, even though it undermines any actual strategy.

[Animavore]

Donald Trump promised to “drain the swamp” while running for office. Voters gave him the opportunity to follow through when they propelled him to the White House. Instead, he surrounded himself with people who saw his victory as an opportunity to enrich themselves by selling the promise of access or influence.  

This betrayal of the American public warrants more attention. Trump voters who wanted to rid Washington of sellouts should be most upset, but no one wants to admit that the person they voted for was misrepresenting his intentions. And those who rely on commentators like Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh, and Tucker Carlson for information lack many relevant facts.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... on/560105/

Yes. Trump supporters should feel betrayed by Trump if their reasons for Trump was what they claimed. In fact they should never have voted for him in the first place if they cared about the things they said they cared about Hilary.

Of course if they never really cared about issues of corruption, and their reasons really were to do with ultra-nationalism, racism, xenophobia, sexism, and just generally trolling liberals and sticking it to the PC-brigade and their other reasons were after-the-fact justifications to try deflect and deny their true, maliced motivations then it makes sense why Trump doesn't bother them as long as attacks on immigrants keep happening and "librul tears" keep flowing.

[Animavore]

Since the founding of the United States, politicians and pundits have warned that partisanship is a danger to democracy. George Washington, in his Farewell Address, worried that political parties, or factions, could "allow cunning, ambitious and unprincipled men" to rise to power and subvert democracy. More recently, many political observers are concerned that increasing political polarization on left and right makes compromise impossible, and leads to the destruction of democratic norms and institutions.

A new study, however, suggests that the main threat to our democracy may not be the hardening of political ideology, but rather the hardening of one particular political ideology. Political scientists Steven V. Miller of Clemson and Nicholas T. Davis of Texas A&M have released a working paper titled "White Outgroup Intolerance and Declining Support for American Democracy." Their study finds a correlation between white American's intolerance, and support for authoritarian rule. In other words, when intolerant white people fear democracy may benefit marginalized people, they abandon their commitment to democracy.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/t ... ncna877886

[Scot Dutchy]

What democracy to start off with? The whole system is corrupt.

Intolerance and Declining Support for American Democracy

Somebody here is very disillusioned. The US political system was never designed for democracy.

[pErvinalia]

Donald Trump promised to “drain the swamp” while running for office. Voters gave him the opportunity to follow through when they propelled him to the White House. Instead, he surrounded himself with people who saw his victory as an opportunity to enrich themselves by selling the promise of access or influence.  

This betrayal of the American public warrants more attention. Trump voters who wanted to rid Washington of sellouts should be most upset, but no one wants to admit that the person they voted for was misrepresenting his intentions. And those who rely on commentators like Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh, and Tucker Carlson for information lack many relevant facts.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... on/560105/

Yes. Trump supporters should feel betrayed by Trump if their reasons for Trump was what they claimed. In fact they should never have voted for him in the first place if they cared about the things they said they cared about Hilary.

I believe our forum Trumpite was fairly gullible in that regard...

[Animavore]

Donald Trump promised to “drain the swamp” while running for office. Voters gave him the opportunity to follow through when they propelled him to the White House. Instead, he surrounded himself with people who saw his victory as an opportunity to enrich themselves by selling the promise of access or influence.  

This betrayal of the American public warrants more attention. Trump voters who wanted to rid Washington of sellouts should be most upset, but no one wants to admit that the person they voted for was misrepresenting his intentions. And those who rely on commentators like Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh, and Tucker Carlson for information lack many relevant facts.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... on/560105/

Yes. Trump supporters should feel betrayed by Trump if their reasons for Trump was what they claimed. In fact they should never have voted for him in the first place if they cared about the things they said they cared about Hilary.

I believe our forum Trumpite was fairly gullible in that regard...

I know he publically made the astonishingly stupid claim that Trump was just acting to get votes and this great man was going to emerge when he got in, but I'd find the idea he was just naive more believable if he realised he's been had. Now I've read When Prophecy Fails and the Bible so I know people can double down pretty hard when everything they believed turns out to be false so with that in mind it's tempting to believe that he just has a hard time accepting reality, but given his anti-progressive, anti-feminist, anti-women posts, and the fact that he reads racist, fear-mongering publications like Breitbart and InfoWars, it's far more likely that his support of Trump is driven by malice and fear of losing power and insecurity of becoming irrelevant than he was simply duped.

He is not a person, I believe, who is ignorant of his actions. He knows exactly what he's doing.

[pErvinalia]

The era of the old white hetero male is drawing to an end. And this frightens them. They are like the USA. And while the US hasn't started lashing out yet, the old white hetero males and their younger aspirants have started lashing out (i.e. trying to kill blacks, gays, atheist, SJW etc). Dangerous times now.

[Animavore]

[Brian Peacock]

I've come to believe that perpetuating the kind of divisive rhetoric that lefties abhor in the right is not only unproductive, but it actually entrenches us-them polarisation. In the face of growing rightwing intransigence, intolerance, and political aggression the rest of us have an enhanced responsibility to play the part of the reasonable adults in the room - to pick our words wisely, to de-emotionalise the discourse, to de-escalate the conflict. The more tit-for-tat sniping we engage in the more secure the boundary between us-them becomes.

[Animavore]

I'm not a leftie and my opposition to Trump is moral, not political.