Rubber bullets and lots of teargas would have been a better option, surely...Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:40 pmClearly they should let Palestinians storm the fence and massacre Israelis. Or something.
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Rubber bullets and tear gas for a peaceful protest with kids involved?JimC wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:55 pmRubber bullets and lots of teargas would have been a better option, surely...Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:40 pmClearly they should let Palestinians storm the fence and massacre Israelis. Or something.
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The Palestinian population in the West Bank (and Gaza) has increased even more over time.
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The IDF uses both of those, which is why the ratio of killed to injured is about 1:50. Nevertheless, rubber bullets only have a short range, and tear gas is subject to wind direction, hence the use of live fire as a last resort against those attempting to breach the fence.JimC wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:55 pmRubber bullets and lots of teargas would have been a better option, surely...Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:40 pmClearly they should let Palestinians storm the fence and massacre Israelis. Or something.
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Looks like the Israeli's tactics aren't as effective as you'd thought.Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 11:34 pmThe Palestinian population in the West Bank (and Gaza) has increased even more over time.
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Monsterous.Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 11:36 pmThe IDF uses both of those, which is why the ratio of killed to injured is about 1:50. Nevertheless, rubber bullets only have a short range, and tear gas is subject to wind direction, hence the use of live fire as a last resort against those attempting to breach the fence.JimC wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:55 pmRubber bullets and lots of teargas would have been a better option, surely...Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:40 pmClearly they should let Palestinians storm the fence and massacre Israelis. Or something.
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Eh? Israel is attempting to stop an invasion, not to wipe out the Palestinians.Animavore wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 11:38 pmLooks like the Israeli's tactics aren't as effective as you'd thought.Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 11:34 pmThe Palestinian population in the West Bank (and Gaza) has increased even more over time.
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Wow!Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 11:43 pmEh? Israel is attempting to stop an invasion, not to wipe out the Palestinians.Animavore wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 11:38 pmLooks like the Israeli's tactics aren't as effective as you'd thought.Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 11:34 pmThe Palestinian population in the West Bank (and Gaza) has increased even more over time.
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All I meant was in comparison to live rounds. Realistically, Israel was not going to stand by and let them surge over the border. If they weren't so bloody minded, they could have achieved the same effect with less deaths.JimC wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:55 pmRubber bullets and lots of teargas would have been a better option, surely...Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:40 pmClearly they should let Palestinians storm the fence and massacre Israelis. Or something.
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Who was trying to surge the border? The protesters were on the opposite side of a buffer zone.JimC wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 12:29 amAll I meant was in comparison to live rounds. Realistically, Israel was not going to stand by and let them surge over the border. If they weren't so bloody minded, they could have achieved the same effect with less deaths.JimC wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:55 pmRubber bullets and lots of teargas would have been a better option, surely...Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:40 pmClearly they should let Palestinians storm the fence and massacre Israelis. Or something.
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You're right. Just because Hamas sends waves of people into a shooting gallery does not excuse Israel for obliging. I've no doubt that things like water cannon could have been utilised that would have kept casualties to a minimum. Although the Hamas operatives setting up bombs along the fence were probably fair game.JimC wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 12:29 amAll I meant was in comparison to live rounds. Realistically, Israel was not going to stand by and let them surge over the border. If they weren't so bloody minded, they could have achieved the same effect with less deaths.JimC wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:55 pmRubber bullets and lots of teargas would have been a better option, surely...Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:40 pmClearly they should let Palestinians storm the fence and massacre Israelis. Or something.
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Yeah, but as the number of settlers grows, so does their political clout, and the Israeli government will be pulled into the West Bank to protect their interests.Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 11:34 pmThe Palestinian population in the West Bank (and Gaza) has increased even more over time.
That's why the US government reneged on so many treaties with the Native American nations. Settlers pushed onto tribal land and screamed for protection when the natives tried to kick them out.
It's already happening.
So far, it's been upheld. What other country exercises eminent domain outside its borders?Israel passes bill to seize private Palestinian land for Jewish settlements
JERUSALEM — Israel’s parliament passed a contentious law late Monday that allows the state to seize land privately owned by Palestinians in the West Bank and grant the properties to Jewish settlements for their exclusive use.
The measure is designed to protect homes in Jewish settlements, built on private Palestinian property “in good faith or at the state’s instruction,” from possible court-ordered evacuation and demolition.
Thousands of homes in dozens of settlements and outposts may now be protected, at least temporarily. The bill is probably headed for a high court challenge.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu supports the legislation and has told his constituents that no government had done more for the settlers. On Monday, the Israeli leader said he had informed the Trump White House that a vote on the legislation was imminent.
Israeli legislators in the opposition condemned the bill as reckless and warned that it would turn the world against Israel while goading prosecutors at the International Criminal Court in The Hague to take action against the Jewish state.
The bill passed on a vote of 60 to 52.
Seeing how it ended up in my country, I'm not optimistic for the Palestinians.
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Shooting unarmed and often peaceful protesters. Go terrorist state!!Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:52 pmPointing out that Israel's tactics worked effectively is probably not the best argument.
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What does that have to do with illegal Israeli settlements?Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 11:34 pmThe Palestinian population in the West Bank (and Gaza) has increased even more over time.
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Rubber bullets can only shoot short range from the fence, therefore use live ammo when people are only a short range from the fence. Good reasoning there.Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 11:36 pmThe IDF uses both of those, which is why the ratio of killed to injured is about 1:50. Nevertheless, rubber bullets only have a short range, and tear gas is subject to wind direction, hence the use of live fire as a last resort against those attempting to breach the fence.JimC wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:55 pmRubber bullets and lots of teargas would have been a better option, surely...Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:40 pmClearly they should let Palestinians storm the fence and massacre Israelis. Or something.
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