indeed. 'Evangelical atheists' are just people who talk about it. 'Fundamental atheists' are, well, every atheist - it's not like we only have a partial disbelief in gods or only have a disbelief in gods some of the time is it? 'New atheists' are what we used to call 'atheists' - there's no categorical difference. Mostly these terms are used as ad homs peddled by insecure religionists.Rum wrote:...
I must say I get pretty tired of people trying to create and/or categorise types of atheism. Once people reach that position people can take any number of stances and their outlook on life and existential issues can be many and various - only minus gods. End of. We only have to look at Atheism + to see what happens when you try to build a bandwagon around it.
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You're taking the mickey, right?Brian Peacock wrote:Indeed. Reciprocity only needs a pinch of empathy, and a dash of sympathy, and a drop or two of a theory of mind that recognises other entities as having incorrigible experiences just like we do.Hermit wrote:Reciprocity. That's where the "Do unto others..." comes from, and it is what generates our conception of justice and the sort of values we synthesise societies with.JimC wrote:If we don't need either religion or humanism to distinguish between good and bad actions, then what are we left with?Brian Peacock wrote:Humanism has always struck me as falling into this kind of 'morality trap' too. We don't need religion, even a non-religious religions like humanism, to distinguish between good and bad action. The vast majority of so-called religious morality simply codifies the bounds and limits of bad action rather than describing and affirming notions of the good - like those who assert that something is OK if there's not a specific law against it.
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'Murikan, of course. The rest of all y'all are Degenerate Marxist Useful Idiots.JimC wrote:Culture? Whose culture?
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I basically agree, but I think those naturally occurring human attributes are a starting point for a humanist philosophy, which can add measured, rational analysis of ethical issues to such emotional reactions. And within us as humans, we need to recognise that we have also the anger and aggression towards "others" which is the dark side of our evolutionary heritage...Brian Peacock wrote:Indeed. Reciprocity only needs a pinch of empathy, and a dash of sympathy, and a drop or two of a theory of mind that recognises other entities as having incorrigible experiences just like we do.Hermit wrote:Reciprocity. That's where the "Do unto others..." comes from, and it is what generates our conception of justice and the sort of values we synthesise societies with.JimC wrote:If we don't need either religion or humanism to distinguish between good and bad actions, then what are we left with?Brian Peacock wrote:Humanism has always struck me as falling into this kind of 'morality trap' too. We don't need religion, even a non-religious religions like humanism, to distinguish between good and bad action. The vast majority of so-called religious morality simply codifies the bounds and limits of bad action rather than describing and affirming notions of the good - like those who assert that something is OK if there's not a specific law against it.
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Yep. He's been dining out on his schtick of 'atheist sneers at other atheists' for well over a decade now.Animavore wrote:Gray still playing the same tune.
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What suggested to you that I was taking the piss?Hermit wrote:You're taking the mickey, right?Brian Peacock wrote:Indeed. Reciprocity only needs a pinch of empathy, and a dash of sympathy, and a drop or two of a theory of mind that recognises other entities as having incorrigible experiences just like we do.Hermit wrote:Reciprocity. That's where the "Do unto others..." comes from, and it is what generates our conception of justice and the sort of values we synthesise societies with.JimC wrote:If we don't need either religion or humanism to distinguish between good and bad actions, then what are we left with?Brian Peacock wrote:Humanism has always struck me as falling into this kind of 'morality trap' too. We don't need religion, even a non-religious religions like humanism, to distinguish between good and bad action. The vast majority of so-called religious morality simply codifies the bounds and limits of bad action rather than describing and affirming notions of the good - like those who assert that something is OK if there's not a specific law against it.
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"...a pinch of empathy, and a dash of sympathy, and a drop or two of a theory of mind..." reminds me of this.Brian Peacock wrote:What suggested to you that I was taking the piss?
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You're right. I should have said "... and an iddi-biddi-bidda theory of mind..."
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Humans are three meals away from losing all their evolved morality. I'm sure pigs feeding at a trough like to think they've some of that evolved morality also whilst they are sharing the overfill...
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cronus wrote:Humans are three meals away from losing all their evolved morality. I'm sure pigs feeding at a trough like to think they've some of that evolved morality also whilst they are sharing the overfill...
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