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Re: Trump, the man with a dream of a Wall

Post by Forty Two » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:09 pm

pErvinalia wrote:Of course. But if they are paying less gross tax than previously, they have little to complain about.
Whether they have anything to complain about, or whether they are complaining at all, are different issues.

They are paying a higher "share" than before. Ergo, their share of the total is fairer than before. Are you arguing against that?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Trump, the man with a dream of a Wall

Post by Tero » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:51 pm

Fake president who makes up shit every day accuses paper of the same
https://www.salon.com/2018/04/08/trump- ... urnalists/

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Re: Trump, the man with a dream of a Wall

Post by Forty Two » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:08 pm

Tero wrote:Fake president who makes up shit every day accuses paper of the same
https://www.salon.com/2018/04/08/trump- ... urnalists/

"....according to three people with knowledge of the incident."

Sources cited by the WaPo for the gossip about Trump and Kelly. Three people with knowledge of the incident. Not necessarily witnesses. They just have "knowledge of" the incident. Could have heard it from others, and it could be second or third hand knowledge. But, that's good enough for a news story to be filled with editorializing about how the President "growled" and such.

Then when Kelly said "i'm outta here" - WaPo says that was a resignation threat, excpet to a "senior administration official" who is also anonymous. To that person, it was Kelly "venting his anger" only.

An unnamed "official" said that Kelly had offended Melania, and nobody is cited for saying that Kelly doesn't "lurk" around the oval office (I guess the reporter thinks Kelly is supposed to "lurk"), and he does not "listen in to the President's calls" to foreign leaders. Oh, no! We have no source for that - reporter just says "trust me."

And, then comes the greatest citation in the article - Leon Panetta! “When you lose that power,” said Leon Panetta, a Democratic former White House chief of staff, “you become a virtual White House intern, being told where to go and what to do.” So, he is in the article not because he knows a damn thing about Kelly, but he can say that when you lose "that power" you are now just an intern. The article hasn't established that Kelly lost any power, and reports what amounts to hearsay gossip by "officials" who we don't know how or why they have this information, or how or why they are leaking the information. I mean "officials" leaking scurrilous reports of the President growling, and howling at his employees, and Kelly leaving a couple of hours early for the day (but, really threatening to resign altogether...)? Come on...

The author knows this is all thin bullshit, because the author then adds this for credibility - "This portrait of Kelly’s trajectory is based on interviews with 16 administration officials, outside advisers and presidential confidants, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to assess the chief of staff." Well, how many were admin officials, and how many were "outside advisers?" And, since only some of them spoke on condition of anonymity -- why not identify those who did not speak on condition of anonymity? What's going on here? And, this is something that warrants granting anonymity? WaPo says it doesn't just grant anonymity lightly - there has to be a national security issue and some significant risk to the witnesses. What's going on here?

No wonder Trump scoffed at this article. It's bullshit. It tells us nothing. We cannot evaluate a single person who claims to have actual knowledge of the facts reported. The only people actually named are those who couldn't possibly know anything about it.

So, more horseshit political reporting, giving the public no information that can be used to make any political decision. It's just scurrilous gossip about how bad Trump supposedly treats people.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Tero » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:45 pm

Confident. Incorrigible. Bully: Little Donny was a lot like candidate Donald Trump
“He had a reputation for saying anything that came into his head,” a schoolmate recalls.
By Paul Schwartzman and Michael E. Miller

Etc:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/trumprev ... 564852ce40

These stories are based on reporting for “Trump Revealed,” a broad, comprehensive examination of the life of the 45th president. The best-selling biography, written by Post reporters Michael Kranish and Marc Fisher in collaboration with more than two dozen Post writers, researchers and editors, was published by Scribner on Aug. 23. An updated paperback edition published Jan. 10

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Re: Trump, the man with a dream of a Wall

Post by Tero » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:20 pm

$1 Trillion Deficits To Return, National Debt To Rise, Projects CBO
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Re: Trump, the man with a dream of a Wall

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:16 am

Forty Two wrote:
pErvinalia wrote:Any chance you could stop being a giant baby? :ask:

Revenue obviously has to be measured in a standardised way or it's irrelevant. Even you should know this.
You can present any argument you want.

You can either say "revenues are falling." Or, you can say something else. You chose to say "revenues are falling," and they are not.

Now, maybe you have a good argument that if you factor in inflation of the stuff government spends money on, that the buying power of the total revenues has been reduced. That would be something for you to demonstrate, which you haven't even attempted to do. Go for it. But you haven't done it, so don't pretend later that you did. Mentioning an argument or assertion is neither an explanation nor a demonstration.

So, make whatever argument you want to make. Be a man. Take a position, and argue it, FFS, without the expectation that someone is going to do it for you or assume something you must have intended to say.
I have taken a position. You are just equivocating as usual. Revenue has to be measured in a standardised way year to year or it is meaningless. You'd wind up holding the nonsensical position that a 90% top tax rate from the 1950's is favourable to todays 40% (or whatever) because the rich paid less gross tax back then.
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Re: Trump, the man with a dream of a Wall

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:21 am

Forty Two wrote:
pErvinalia wrote:Of course. But if they are paying less gross tax than previously, they have little to complain about.
Whether they have anything to complain about, or whether they are complaining at all, are different issues.

They are paying a higher "share" than before. Ergo, their share of the total is fairer than before. Are you arguing against that?
Read what I wrote. Of course not. I'm primarily concerned with the fall in total tax revenue in real terms. Your country is in staggering debt. Cutting revenue isn't a smart approach to reducing that debt load. And the biggest share of that fall in revenue is due to the rich getting a tax cut.
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Re: Trump, the man with a dream of a Wall

Post by Tero » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:25 am

Trump’s penis will be the end or he may limp to end of term. Details
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hGs0Yk7Xwzs
Cohen is not going to get out of this.

Mueller firing near?

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:17 am

Trump's response to the raid on Cohen.

Full Transcript of Trump Pool Spray Rant on Cohen FBI Raid
THE PRESIDENT: So I just heard that they broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys — a good man. And it’s a disgraceful situation. It’s a total witch hunt. I’ve been saying it for a long time. I’ve wanted to keep it down. We’ve given, I believe, over a million pages’ worth of documents to the Special Counsel.

They continue to just go forward. And here we are talking about Syria and we’re talking about a lot of serious things. We’re the greatest fighting force ever. And I have this witch hunt constantly going on for over 12 months now — and actually, much more than that. You could say it was right after I won the nomination, it started.

And it’s a disgrace. It’s, frankly, a real disgrace. It’s an attack on our country, in a true sense. It’s an attack on what we all stand for.

So when I saw this and when I heard it — I heard it like you did — I said, that is really now on a whole new level of unfairness.

So this has been going on — I saw one of the reporters, who is not necessarily a fan of mine, not necessarily very good to me. He said, in effect, that this is ridiculous; this is now getting ridiculous. They found no collusion whatsoever with Russia. The reason they found it is there was no collusion at all. No collusion. This is the most biased group of people. These people have the biggest conflicts of interest I’ve ever seen.

Democrats all — or just about all — either Democrats or a couple of Republicans that worked for President Obama, they’re not looking at the other side; they’re not looking at the Hillary Clinton — the horrible things that she did and all of the crimes that were committed. They’re not looking at all of the things that happened that everybody is very angry about, I can tell you, from the Republican side, and I think even the independent side. They only keep looking at us.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:47 am

42 could have written that.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:31 pm

pErvinalia wrote:42 could have written that.
Maybe he did. Trump's ghostwriter?
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Re: Trump, the man with a dream of a Wall

Post by Tero » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:32 pm

Witch hunt working splendidly! Eventually if you ever dealt with Trump (not the victims of his scams) with porn stars, TV show or Russia, you go to jail. Trump alone survives to 2019

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Re: Trump, the man with a dream of a Wall

Post by Forty Two » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:28 pm

Tero wrote:Trump’s penis will be the end or he may limp to end of term. Details
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hGs0Yk7Xwzs
Cohen is not going to get out of this.

Mueller firing near?
Stormy Daniels is the key to the entire Russia investigation. I have no doubt that the attorney-client privileged communications between Trump and Cohen will have all the proof they need to demonstrate that Trump illegally colluded with the Russians in the 2016 election campaign.

If this raid is successful, they may well get proof that Trump knew or even authorized Cohen to pay Stormy Daniels that $130,000. If they do, and if that is determined by a court of law to be an illegal campaign contribution, then Trump and Cohen could be held responsible for fine of $130,000. If the violation is found to be "wilful" and "knowing" then they could be on the hook for twice that.

And, that would prove the illegal acts constituting collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, because Stormy Daniels gave lap dances to Russians.

The incredible "threat to our democracy" posed by excessive campaign finance contributions cannot be underestimated, like, how the Michigan Democratic Party was just fined by the Federal Election Commission for illegal campaign contributions. The Montana Democratic Party was fined for mishandling of $375,000 in expenditures toward Democratic candidates. But our democracy has been under attack in this regard since the 1996 Campaign Finance Controversy -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Unit ... ontroversy and Clinton may have violated campaign finance laws in defeating Bernie Sanders - https://www.theepochtimes.com/clinton-c ... 49172.html and may have violated campaign finance law with its expenditures on the infamous dossier - https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... iolations/ and the Clinton campaign may have received $84 million in funds in violation of campaign finance laws. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pow ... 333e1dc97e

Obviously, we don't know if they're guilty, but it would seem prudent to raid their offices and seize their paperwork and find out.
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Re: Trump, the man with a dream of a Wall

Post by Forty Two » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:34 pm

Tero wrote:Witch hunt working splendidly! Eventually if you ever dealt with Trump (not the victims of his scams) with porn stars, TV show or Russia, you go to jail. Trump alone survives to 2019
He has small hands, orange skin, and a bad comb-over, and he's fat, and he's loud, and he uses his money and power to get hot models and porn stars to suck his dick, and he's been divorced twice. He's a narcissistic, megalomaniacal, loudmouth and he exhibits aggressive toxic masculinity. He yells at his staff, and he fires a lot of people. He may even have authorized his lawyer to pay Stormy Daniels to keep quiet about their dalliances.

So, obviously, the special counsel's work is done. Arrest him and try him for being a low class, vulgar, profane, nouveau riche, chauvinist pig. He obstructed justice for denying it.
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Re: Trump, the man with a dream of a Wall

Post by Tero » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:08 pm

Like Clinton: guilty of perjury.

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