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Why would he post that we are upset because feminist doctrine blah blah, when we don't subscribe to the feminist doctrine he describes?
This makes as much sense as his claim that he needs on-average examples as opposed to individual exceptions to find female role models to adopt.

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This is a nasty thread and very male.
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And he's almost certainly proffering a straw man, genius, as he appears to think we argue from a position of strict feminist doctrine and SJWism, which he gleefully argues against by contually pointing out that we haven't provided enough examples that meet that alleged view of feminist doctrine.
You know, you like to claim that I don't understand these fallacies, but the reality is that you don't understand what I'm saying, and I'm required to clarify something that shouldn't need clarifying if you just dropped the stupid bias and juvenile competition with me in an attempt to show that you possess a greater intellect. You'll probably accuse me of the same, but unlike you who is always harping on about my alleged belief that I have a superior intellect to you, I don't view it as a competition. I don't need to prove anything to you or anyone else as I'm self assured enough to not care or even feel threatened by you. If you've got self esteem problems, then that's for you to work out. You can leave me out of it.
You know, you like to claim that I don't understand these fallacies, but the reality is that you don't understand what I'm saying, and I'm required to clarify something that shouldn't need clarifying if you just dropped the stupid bias and juvenile competition with me in an attempt to show that you possess a greater intellect. You'll probably accuse me of the same, but unlike you who is always harping on about my alleged belief that I have a superior intellect to you, I don't view it as a competition. I don't need to prove anything to you or anyone else as I'm self assured enough to not care or even feel threatened by you. If you've got self esteem problems, then that's for you to work out. You can leave me out of it.
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It would be totally different with only women. There would not be any pick waving for a start.Rum wrote:This is a nasty thread and very male.
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Why do you think the topic he raise is shitty?pErvinalia wrote:Why would he post that we are upset because feminist doctrine blah blah, when we don't subscribe to the feminist doctrine he describes?This makes as much sense as his claim that he needs on-average examples as opposed to individual exceptions to find female role models to adopt.
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Leave my pick out of this, Dutchy! 

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Why do you answer a question with an unrelated question?Forty Two wrote:Why do you think the topic he raise is shitty?pErvinalia wrote:Why would he post that we are upset because feminist doctrine blah blah, when we don't subscribe to the feminist doctrine he describes?This makes as much sense as his claim that he needs on-average examples as opposed to individual exceptions to find female role models to adopt.
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"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
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You be prick of course. Sometimes it amazes how you think you are speaking one language but in fact using another.pErvinalia wrote:Leave my pick out of this, Dutchy!
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Can you translate that into English?
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"Should be prick". Sorry.pErvinalia wrote:Can you translate that into English?

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Scot Dutchy wrote:"Should be prick". Sorry.pErvinalia wrote:Can you translate that into English?

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"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
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"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
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It looks to me as if Cunt thinks people have hand-waved and pshawed the matter, stating or implying that there are myriad examples easily identifiable, and he is advancing the retort that if there are so many and his foundational assumption that there aren't any of the kind he describes is so demonstrably false, that there should be a list forthcoming.... and when there isn't, and when most of the responses, particularly from you, were angry personal attacks on him, calling him a bigot, and such, he appears to be concluding that people here can't name any or many examples.pErvinalia wrote:And he's almost certainly proffering a straw man, genius, as he appears to think we argue from a position of strict feminist doctrine and SJWism, which he gleefully argues against by contually pointing out that we haven't provided enough examples that meet that alleged view of feminist doctrine.
He also did not say that you argue strictly from an extreme feminist or SJW position, he referred to one orthodox feminist position, which is not at all extreme for feminism, which is that there are no real differences between men and women, and that the differences are socially constructed products of the patriarchy, and as such talking about them or acknowledging them as existing is generally considered anti-feminist. I think that's what he was getting at.
But it doesn't really matter, as you are here and can speak for yourself as to why you are so enraged, or apparently entraged, by this topic. What's pissing you off so much about the topic. It didn't take long at all for people to attack Cunt for posting it. The OP is not overtly bigoted. It's a rather tame topic, at worst a "battle of the sexes" kind of thing. Yet, almost immediately the thread gestapo went to work here. It's fair to ask what in the world is the bee in your bonnets?
I understand the English language, and you are misusing the fallacies, and you like to just toss them out there as diqualifiers of a person's argument. It's fine to advance a logical fallacy of course, but they have specific meanings, and you should at least use them properly.pErvinalia wrote: You know, you like to claim that I don't understand these fallacies, but the reality is that you don't understand what I'm saying,
I am not in competition with you.pErvinalia wrote: and I'm required to clarify something that shouldn't need clarifying if you just dropped the stupid bias and juvenile competition with me in an attempt to show that you possess a greater intellect.
The only thing I want from you is for you to stop personally attacking people, insulting people, and namecalling, as well as your practice of being the self-appointed thread cop who derails threads through the use of such attacks, and revels in the abuse you mete out against those you label trolls. It takes no real effort for most people here to be shown as superior intellects to you.
I'm "always" harping on your "alleged" belief? You've claimed it. But, really, it's not that I claim to have a superior intellect. What concerns me is not others having lower intellect or higher - what concerns me is your awful behavior, number one, as I've noted, and two, the fact that you claim such a high intellect, while displaying hardly even a rudimentary knowledge of the things you discuss.pErvinalia wrote: You'll probably accuse me of the same, but unlike you who is always harping on about my alleged belief that I have a superior intellect to you,
If you were so self-assured, you'd not have reacted to Cunt's thread like you did. This whole idea of personally attacking people because they post shitty topics, or topics that you think are motivated by bigotry, belies this assertion by you that you're self-assured not to feel threatened. If you truly were self-assured, you could have entertained the post without accepting it, and either moved on without comment, or if you decided to participate you could have directly addressed his assertions and premises, and discussed them. That's what someone who is self-assured would do. But your option is almost invariably to attack, namecall, insult, derail, and create off-topic arguments over side-issues in your attempt to police the forum of undesirables.pErvinalia wrote: I don't view it as a competition. I don't need to prove anything to you or anyone else as I'm self assured enough to not care or even feel threatened by you. If you've got self esteem problems, then that's for you to work out. You can leave me out of it.
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It's not unrelated, IMO. If you answer it, I'll explain how it's related.pErvinalia wrote:Why do you answer a question with an unrelated question?Forty Two wrote:Why do you think the topic he raise is shitty?pErvinalia wrote:Why would he post that we are upset because feminist doctrine blah blah, when we don't subscribe to the feminist doctrine he describes?This makes as much sense as his claim that he needs on-average examples as opposed to individual exceptions to find female role models to adopt.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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But you don't 'argue', you kind of toss rotten fruit as you run by, giggling about your superiority.pErvinalia wrote:And he's almost certainly proffering a straw man, genius, as he appears to think we argue from a position of strict feminist doctrine and SJWism, which he gleefully argues against by contually pointing out that we haven't provided enough examples that meet that alleged view of feminist doctrine.
You know, you like to claim that I don't understand these fallacies, but the reality is that you don't understand what I'm saying, and I'm required to clarify something that shouldn't need clarifying if you just dropped the stupid bias and juvenile competition with me in an attempt to show that you possess a greater intellect. You'll probably accuse me of the same, but unlike you who is always harping on about my alleged belief that I have a superior intellect to you, I don't view it as a competition. I don't need to prove anything to you or anyone else as I'm self assured enough to not care or even feel threatened by you. If you've got self esteem problems, then that's for you to work out. You can leave me out of it.
If you wanted to discuss some difference of opinion we had, you would first need to pick one, and stand behind it.
If Rum could elaborate on why this is 'nasty' and 'very male', I would be glad, but he might just be doing a pErvinalia - tossing rotten tomatoes and not trying to explore a difference of opinion.
And Forty Two, you shouldn't use your male privilege to bully pErvinalia to answer a question...treat him like a child, until he acts like an adult.
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Pretty much, but I hadn't thought it through as carefully.Forty Two wrote:
It looks to me as if Cunt thinks people have hand-waved and pshawed the matter, stating or implying that there are myriad examples easily identifiable, and he is advancing the retort that if there are so many and his foundational assumption that there aren't any of the kind he describes is so demonstrably false, that there should be a list forthcoming.... and when there isn't, and when most of the responses, particularly from you, were angry personal attacks on him, calling him a bigot, and such, he appears to be concluding that people here can't name any or many examples.
I tried to NOT take a position beyond asking about it. There is a bunch of propaganda about how men and women, while not equal in every way, are equally valuable. I'm looking for it. Men are 'more valuable' when considering strength or speed (and CLEARLY!) so shouldn't there be equal amounts of strengths which women have, that outpace men?
I mean, if we really are both equally strong, in different ways, you would think that males would exhibit certain clear advantages (they do) and that women would as well.
Sport is an easy way to look at this, but the only ways I have heard offered about how women are better performers than men, rely on the same kind of vague support which is usually given for alternative medicines.
Yeah. This thread, if it were about the overwhelming dominance of African runners over every other group, would have been a lot less heated. Something about examining the real tangible differences between sexes is quite bothersome, but rather than discussing it, I'm simply labeled for having an opinion.Forty Two wrote:
He also did not say that you argue strictly from an extreme feminist or SJW position, he referred to one orthodox feminist position, which is not at all extreme for feminism, which is that there are no real differences between men and women, and that the differences are socially constructed products of the patriarchy, and as such talking about them or acknowledging them as existing is generally considered anti-feminist. I think that's what he was getting at.
Another example is how pErvinalia (and others) rage against MRA's, but don't want to name specific ones, or (more significantly) which ideas they have which are so wrong or awful.
It's pErvinalia. My guess is that there won't be an answer which makes his position on anything clear, but there will be some insults and abuse, which he has himself said he does deliberately, and without emotion.
But it doesn't really matter, as you are here and can speak for yourself as to why you are so enraged, or apparently entraged, by this topic. What's pissing you off so much about the topic. It didn't take long at all for people to attack Cunt for posting it. The OP is not overtly bigoted. It's a rather tame topic, at worst a "battle of the sexes" kind of thing. Yet, almost immediately the thread gestapo went to work here. It's fair to ask what in the world is the bee in your bonnets?
I don't care about his proclaimed lack of emotion, but the deliberate abuse makes me distrustful of him.
The funny thing is, I think pErvialia LOVES disagreeing with people, but his style suggests that anyone who wants to sincerely discuss any of those disagreements would go find someone else to discuss them with.If you were so self-assured, you'd not have reacted to Cunt's thread like you did. This whole idea of personally attacking people because they post shitty topics, or topics that you think are motivated by bigotry, belies this assertion by you that you're self-assured not to feel threatened. If you truly were self-assured, you could have entertained the post without accepting it, and either moved on without comment, or if you decided to participate you could have directly addressed his assertions and premises, and discussed them. That's what someone who is self-assured would do. But your option is almost invariably to attack, namecall, insult, derail, and create off-topic arguments over side-issues in your attempt to police the forum of undesirables.
This would mean, in a normal world, that he was never in possession of a clear understanding of the other side of any issue he cared deeply about. The more deeply he cares, the less likely he will be to take in any different opinion. Great system, if you never expect to want to change your mind about something.
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