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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Feck » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:25 pm

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Explain the FIRST CAUSE OF THE UNIVERSE without God?
Fucking GOBSHITE worst excuse for an argument about god EVER !
After making assumptions about The Universe that ignore both logic and Physics Religionists then go on to make up bullshit about the need for a first cause
After making the point that "everything" needs a first cause they go on to define their god as the first cause completely negating the whole fucking concept of EVERYTHING needing a first cause .
It's a shitty excuse dependent on defining your god as the only exception to a law you made up in the first place.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Rum » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:49 pm

This is not a guy who is ameinable to rational discussion.

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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Feck » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:26 pm

Rum wrote:This is not a guy who is amenable to rational discussion.
A: I'm sure many people think the same about me
B: Are any religiotards ? especially those infected with conspiracy theories too ?

He has actually behaved rather well around here despite lots of provocation
I don't think allowing him to post his ramblings in this thread Chez Ratz is a problem
Of course if he loses it makes threats and then pulls the fire alarm and runs away I'd be happy to see him booted
but so far we aren't confirming his delusions and he's not scaring anybody .
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:41 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:Explain the first cause of god in which universe?
The one he must exists in.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by superuniverse » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:53 pm

Feck wrote:
superuniverse wrote:...

Explain the FIRST CAUSE OF THE UNIVERSE without God?
Fucking GOBSHITE worst excuse for an argument about god EVER !
After making assumptions about The Universe that ignore both logic and Physics Religionists then go on to make up bullshit about the need for a first cause
After making the point that "everything" needs a first cause they go on to define their god as the first cause completely negating the whole fucking concept of EVERYTHING needing a first cause .
It's a shitty excuse dependent on defining your god as the only exception to a law you made up in the first place.
Sorry, you are not convincing. Only the eternal would not have a First Cause.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:57 pm

It's not our job to convince you you're wrong - It's your job to convince us you're right.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Feck » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:58 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Explain the first cause of god in which universe?
The one he must exists in.
No! the magic sky fairy doesn't have to exist in or act in anything......... Because he IS the magic sky fairy.(and apparently if you think there is another one they will burn you alive ) no common logic or rational theory can explain a magical fairy BECAUSE he is the magical sky fairy and to have any evidence would remove the whole mystery of it all .
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Feck » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:08 pm

Right now I'm one of the few people who are supporting your membership of this forum I do not give a fucking shit if you appreciate that BUT
You really should either accept that your first cause "logic" is Bullshit or post a rational argument that destroys mine.
Seriously Dude is this " Only the eternal would not have a First Cause. " The best you have ?
How about I define the universe as a cyclical continuum of space, time and matter? how the fuck do you claim "first cause" without time ?
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Sean Hayden » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:12 pm

I don't argue with religiotards. I've moved so far beyond them that I can no longer see where they err, it is that far beneath me. :levi:













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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:30 pm

I don't argue with religionistas these days either - I just ask them stuff.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by superuniverse » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:46 pm

From "Why I Am Not A Christian"
by Bertrand Russell

"Perhaps the simplest and easiest to understand is the argument of the First Cause. (It is maintained that everything we see in this world has a cause, and as you go back in the chain of causes further and further you must come to a First Cause, and to that First Cause you give the name of God.) That argument, I suppose, does not carry very much weight nowadays, because, in the first place, cause is not quite what it used to be. The philosophers and the men of science have got going on cause, and it has not anything like the vitality it used to have; but, apart from that, you can see that the argument that there must be a First Cause is one that cannot have any validity. I may say that when I was a young man and was debating these questions very seriously in my mind, I for a long time accepted the argument of the First Cause, until one day, at the age of eighteen, I read John Stuart Mill's Autobiography, and I there found this sentence: "My father taught me that the question 'Who made me?' cannot be answered, since it immediately suggests the further question `Who made god?'" That very simple sentence showed me, as I still think, the fallacy in the argument of the First Cause. If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the same nature as the Hindu's view, that the world rested upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they said, "How about the tortoise?" the Indian said, "Suppose we change the subject." The argument is really no better than that. There is no reason why the world could not have come into being without a cause; nor, on the other hand, is there any reason why it should not have always existed. There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the poverty of our imagination. Therefore, perhaps, I need not waste any more time upon the argument about the First Cause. "

Probably the best you got, and he is not convincing either. He just decides to duck the question by not wasting any more "time" on it.

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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Rum » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:09 pm

You are falling back on the 'god of the gaps' argument. At the moment we don't quite know how the universe came to be, what was before it (if indeed there was a 'before') and even if time has always existed. There are some fascinating new speculations, supported by the beginnings of solid evidence that at the infinitesimally small and dense and at the massively expanded states the universe once was and will be one day, 'information' is not sufficient within those systems for the rules of space and physics as we know them to exist at all - the infinitesimally small and the almost infinitely large become identical states.. We may well be getting there in terms of a scientific description of how it works in other words. These points are the existing 'gaps' where you insert 'god'.

Once upon a time those gaps included where night and day comes from, what makes the wind blow, what is the moon and the sun, why do we die and what are these diseases we get, why does the tiger try to kill us, what is beyond the sky...etc..'God' filled all those gaps - seems downright silly now.

Every gap more or less - possibly even the last few - may well be filled. The story of religious explanation of the phenomena around us has had to retreat century after century and challenge after challenge, despite persecution, dogma, the vested interests of the priesthood and so on.

People here are mostly good, kind and thoughtful. They wish you no harm and they have reached their own views of the world often through painful journeys. Your arrival, hammering in with blood and guts, threats and admonitions about the evils of atheism do you no credit and certainly us no harm. But it is a shame. Rational discussion is possible - if of course you are able to be rational.

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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by superuniverse » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:26 pm

First to the issue of threats: Only you have made them here.

"I think the mods should email the Montreal probation service and inform them of his antics here."

are you trying to get Mabus locked up and silence his right to free speech?

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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Rum » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:39 pm

superuniverse wrote:First to the issue of threats: Only you have made them here.

"I think the mods should email the Montreal probation service and inform them of his antics here."

are you trying to get Mabus locked up and silence his right to free speech?

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That was not a threat. That was a suggestion to the mods here based on the possibility that you are breaching the terms of your probation order. Are you? The various links available make it a bit ambiguous. If it has lapsed please say so - confirm the fact - and of course nobody is going to report you. If you don't confirm it either way then I will consider contacting them to find out myself. Your mental illness is obviously tied up with your relationship with on-line communication of one sort or another. I have seen your raging out of control videos on Youtube and you are obviously pretty fucked up when making them.

I see you prefer your own rage state to reason. So be it. I made a peace offering and you refused it.

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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Feck » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:45 pm

Do we even have a fire alarm button for the forum ? What will he press before running away ?
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