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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:18 am

Il Douche just being himself--a petty, vindictive asshat:

'Trump’s gripes against McCabe included wife’s politics, Comey’s ride home'
The day after he fired James Comey as director of the FBI, a furious President Donald Trump called the bureau's acting director, Andrew McCabe, demanding to know why Comey had been allowed to fly on an FBI plane from Los Angeles back to Washington after he was dismissed, according to multiple people familiar with the phone call.

McCabe told the president he hadn’t been asked to authorize Comey’s flight, but if anyone had asked, he would have approved it, three people familiar with the call recounted to NBC News.

The president was silent for a moment and then turned on McCabe, suggesting he ask his wife how it feels to be a loser — an apparent reference to a failed campaign for state office in Virginia that McCabe’s wife made in 2015.

McCabe replied, “OK, sir.” Trump then hung up the phone.

A White House official, who would not speak on the record, disputed the account, saying, "this simply never happened. Any suggestion otherwise is pure fiction.” The FBI declined to comment on the call.

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In recent weeks the White House has agitated for McCabe’s exit, saying he is part of a broader pattern of bias against the president in the highest levels of federal law enforcement. Defenders of the Justice Department’s leadership say the charges of bias are part of the president’s effort to try to undermine the federal probe into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election and possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

Trump’s repeated criticism of McCabe, both in public and private, made the FBI’s deputy director the leading example of concerns Republicans have increasingly raised about potential impartiality at the Justice Department.

The phone call between Trump and McCabe after Comey’s firing last May underscores the president’s continued fixation on the loyalties of people around him and his frustration with autonomous arms of the government — particularly ones involved in the Russia investigation. It’s also emblematic of his early and persistent distrust of top Justice Department officials.

The combination of those sentiments whipped the president into such a fury over Comey last year that he wanted his firing to abruptly strip him of any trappings that come with the office and leave him across the country scrambling to find his own way home.

McCabe detailed his conversation with Trump after Comey’s firing to several people at the Justice Department, people familiar with the matter said.

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Post by Tero » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:25 am

Donald Trump increasingly compared to Adolf Hitler...about 1929
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." —Voltaire
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Post by Seabass » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:30 am

"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." —Voltaire
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:47 am

Some of them were probably even from shithole countries.

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Post by DRSB » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:13 am

He was in Davos. Top CEOs behave like groupies around him.

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Post by Animavore » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:05 pm

Trump supporters; staying classy as always.
Donald Trump supporters have denied heckling Native American and Latino legislators in Arizona and asking if they were illegal immigrants.

Several witnesses recorded footage of people at the rally shouting insults and abuse. Some were heard telling the politicians to “go home” as they protested proposed immigration reform in the state’s capital, Phoenix.

Members of Living United for Change in Arizona (LUCHA) said they were accosted by flag waving pro-Trump supporters while standing between the state’s House and State buildings.

The protesters reportedly asked people whether they supported illegal immigration – including one Native American legislator.

Representative Eric Descheenie, a member of the Navajo tribe, said he was asked if he was in the country legally when he defended a young student he said was being harassed.

He said: “I’m indigenous to these lands. My ancestors fought and died on these lands. I just told them, ‘Don’t ask me that question.’”
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Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:32 pm

Newt is still alive? :shock:
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Post by Tero » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:35 pm

Yes. He's a pirate. He can't side with Trump too much as they are two pirates.

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Re: Trump, the man with a dream of a Wall

Post by Forty Two » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:22 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:Il Douche just being himself--a petty, vindictive asshat:

'Trump’s gripes against McCabe included wife’s politics, Comey’s ride home'
The day after he fired James Comey as director of the FBI, a furious President Donald Trump called the bureau's acting director, Andrew McCabe, demanding to know why Comey had been allowed to fly on an FBI plane from Los Angeles back to Washington after he was dismissed, according to multiple people familiar with the phone call.

McCabe told the president he hadn’t been asked to authorize Comey’s flight, but if anyone had asked, he would have approved it, three people familiar with the call recounted to NBC News.

The president was silent for a moment and then turned on McCabe, suggesting he ask his wife how it feels to be a loser — an apparent reference to a failed campaign for state office in Virginia that McCabe’s wife made in 2015.

McCabe replied, “OK, sir.” Trump then hung up the phone.

A White House official, who would not speak on the record, disputed the account, saying, "this simply never happened. Any suggestion otherwise is pure fiction.” The FBI declined to comment on the call.

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In recent weeks the White House has agitated for McCabe’s exit, saying he is part of a broader pattern of bias against the president in the highest levels of federal law enforcement. Defenders of the Justice Department’s leadership say the charges of bias are part of the president’s effort to try to undermine the federal probe into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election and possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

Trump’s repeated criticism of McCabe, both in public and private, made the FBI’s deputy director the leading example of concerns Republicans have increasingly raised about potential impartiality at the Justice Department.

The phone call between Trump and McCabe after Comey’s firing last May underscores the president’s continued fixation on the loyalties of people around him and his frustration with autonomous arms of the government — particularly ones involved in the Russia investigation. It’s also emblematic of his early and persistent distrust of top Justice Department officials.

The combination of those sentiments whipped the president into such a fury over Comey last year that he wanted his firing to abruptly strip him of any trappings that come with the office and leave him across the country scrambling to find his own way home.

McCabe detailed his conversation with Trump after Comey’s firing to several people at the Justice Department, people familiar with the matter said.
"according to multiple people familiar with the phone call." Who? Anonymous sources? Why? This is a phone call. No "sources and methods" and no intelligence. Nothing. Why are we allowing people to make scurrilous remarks about a phone call that they weren't participating in and believing them without knowing who they are and what their motivations might be? Were they listening in on the call? If not, how are they "familiar with the phone call?" What does it mean to be "familiar with the phone call?" Did they hear about it? Did McCabe tell them? The article doesn't say. Wouldn't a decent journalist ask the "source familiar with the phone call" how they are familiar? Who they heard it from?

"Trump, enraged by TV footage of Comey boarding the government-funded plane hours after his firing, believed that Comey should not have been allowed to take the plane, that any privileges he had received as FBI director should have ceased the moment he was fired, the people familiar with the matter said." LOL - now they're "familiar with the matter." They know what Trump "believed." They weren't on the phone call. They didn't hear what the President said, but they're somehow familiar with the matter. How? Article does not say. Why doesn't it say?

Wouldn't an informative news article say "the people were familiar with the matter and phone call because they say Andrew McCabe told them what the President said," or "the people familiar with the phone call were familiar because they overheard McCabe's side of the conversation," or "...they were listening in on an office phone extension...? Isn't it important to know how the source knows what they're reporting?

Trump's White House apparently says it didn't happen, and the FBI wouldn't comment, and the article doesn't even mention if the reporter picked up the phone to contact McCabe, who was on the phone with the President to ask if it happened.

But we're not just asked to believe it happened based on the anonymous reporting of people who weren't on the phone call and did not hear the President's words.... "The previously unreported exchange between Trump and McCabe was one of a series of attacks the president aimed at McCabe that fueled tensions between the White House and the Justice Department and culminated Monday with McCabe stepping down as the FBI’s deputy director." Now this is "one of a series" of "attacks" by the President which "culminated" in his resignation. So, he didn't resign for legitimate reasons. He resigned because of a series of unjustified attacks by the President. No source for that. No explanation of the "series of attacks" and no confirmation from anyone that there were "fueled tensions."

The author then says McCabe was "reportedly" asked who he voted for in 2016 and asked about his wife's connection to Hillary Clinton and campaign contributions. Only, the reports on that were from people not in the meeting, just more anonymous sources who weren't in the room. The articles report on what McCabe said, but always hearsay - through what "anonymous officials" with no description of what kind of official they are and how they came to know what they know. We don't even know if they heard the information directly from McCabe and the articles always leave out one thing: A contact with McCabe to ask him if that's what was said. Even to get a "no comment" from McCabe. They just don't write anything about calling to confirm the story.

When you read any policy on anonymous sources, the use is supposed to be "rare," and the exception to the rule in situations where important stories of great importance or involving high security matters can only be reported if the source remains anonymous because of danger to the source, whistleblowing concerns, criminal law concerns, intelligence sources and methods concerns, etc. But here, we're talking about stuff that is not a crime -- it's just gossip -- Trump was a dick to McCabe, or Trump was a dick to Comey, or Trump said something uncouth or asked an impertinet question, and every, single report is by anonymous sources. Having a source is now the exception to the rule.

And, they never set forth why the sources need confidential treatment or anonymity. They never explain how the sources know what they know. They never explain how the source was vetted or how the facts were confirmed. They never even provide a note that editors at the media outlet have reviewed the matter have agreed to allow the reporting go forward.

Media outlets are responsible for the veracity of anonymous sources, to some extent. Not completely. But, they are responsible for taking reasonable steps to get named sources wherever possible, and they are responsible to taking steps to verify and confirm what sources are saying.

The article goes on -- "In recent weeks the White House has agitated for McCabe’s exit, saying he is part of a broader pattern of bias against the president in the highest levels of federal law enforcement. Defenders of the Justice Department’s leadership say the charges of bias are part of the president’s effort to try to undermine the federal probe into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election and possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow." Oh, really? When did the White House do this agitating? The White House has said they were not involved in the process at all. So, when did the White House agitate? Is there a single quote from the White House saying anything about McCabe should "exit?" Who is the source for this allegation. Similarly, regarding the "defenders of the Justice Department's leadership" - who are those defenders the reporter is talking about? Who said that the President is trying to undermine the federal proble? Who said that? Someone who knows something? Or, a pundit on MSNBC or CNN?

The author goes on to editorialize about the President's distrust of officials from "autonomous" departments of the Executive Branch (who report to the President) and his demands for loyalty. The author goes on "The combination of those sentiments whipped the president into such a fury over Comey last year that he wanted his firing to abruptly strip him of any trappings that come with the office and leave him across the country scrambling to find his own way home." So, not only does she report on what was said in the phone call, via sources not on the phone call, but these sources apparently know that it was a combination of long term "sentiments" that sent the President into a "fury" (he wasn't just giving McCabe a hard time, these people who were not on the call know he was in a "fury" and knew his motivation).
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Post by Forty Two » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:03 pm

And the coup de gras of absolute silliness of that article -- and emblematic of this whole Trump rage that goes on and on -- the author has to take the story to the point of ridiculousness.... The notion that the mean old Trump just want to "strip" Comey of the "trappings of office" and -- get this -- "and leave him across the country scrambling to find his own way home..."

Listen to that for a second, and let that sink in. The author is reporting - reporting -- this a news report where the author is saying what the facts are supposed to be as told to her by people with knowledge (anonymously): that Trump had the goal to strip Comey of his trappings, so that he could leave him stranded having to scramble to find his way home. From Washington DC. Aaaaaaallllllll the way to Connecticut. Having earned $185,000 per year. With a net worth of over $11 million and living in a $2.5 million mansion.

Yes, picture it now. James Comey, former head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, trying to get home from his office in Washington DC. He had just been escorted by security to his office and given five minutes to pack up his things.... entry badge already deactivated.....
the office looks on with stoney faces as he is forced to endure the walk of shame.... how will I ever get home, he thinks to himself, a tear running down his cheek as he tries to hold it together. Can I get a flight home? How will I get to the airport? Can I rent a car? How are these things even done? Are they possible?

Comey excuses himself to the bathroom before he leaves -- looks in the mirror -- "come on Jimmy - you can do this...." He picks up his cell phone.... a sigh off relief... there is still a signal. They haven't deactivated it yet, he thinks. He opens his Kayak app. Finds a flight. $200 for coach? "My god.... I can't put that kind of charge on my Chase Sapphire Card at a time like this.... and add to that my Uber to the airport...." Maybe I'll just get a car, he thinks.
He googles for rental cars.... too much... a one way rental.... "I guess it's a bus for you, Jimmy...." he hesitates... looking for a silver lining... "...don't worry, man" he said to himself, "...it'll be good. It'll be good..." a melancholy smile etches his face as he remembers his Ramen Noodle days so many years ago during his College of William and Mary days, where he took the bus and worked nights at the fillin' station to earn the $40,000 he needed for tuition, books, room and board. And, those lean days as a new Law Clerk for a federal judge in the US District Court, Southern District of New York, and his days on the subway, slogging to work at his first law firm job and their meager offices on Park Avenue. "Ah, those were the days," he mused.

The rest is a blur. He hardly remembers the halls of the office he worked in for so many years. Pennsylvania Avenue. "Here I am, the gritty pavement of Pennsylvania Avenue. Be strong Jimmy. You can do this." James Comey's daze was not lost on the security guard. "Mr. Comey." He shook Comey's arm. "Mr. Comey!" He said more urgently. "What? Huh?" muttered Comey, as he left his momentary reverie. "You need some help, Mr. Comey? You got a long way to go to get to - where is it they say yous from again? Carnucti -- Cornooct?" The security guard had heard of this land before, but the name was too foreign for him to pronounce.

"It's Connecticut -- with three "c's", my friend. And, I've got some change in my pocket that will get me on a bus,and that bus will take me somewhere where the good Lord wants me to be.... but thank you." Comey placed a hand on the the kind security guard's shoulder, and that old Comey look of strength and confidence flashed across his eyes, if only for a fleeting second.

"You know something, kid..." the security guard asked, coming suddenly to a realization about the man who until that day had headed the FBI, "...you're gonna be alright."

The two men shook hands, and James Comey began the long, arduous 3 minute walk from the J Edgar Hoover Building to the bus stop. That's the last anyone ever heard of James Comey, and that's how the legend of the man who was made to scramble to find his way home across the country was born that day. Some people say he was never able to scramble back to the far off land of Connecticut. But, I'd like to think he made it. I know he made it.

At the same time, Trump, in his special sauce stained pajamas, sits, bloated, watching three television sets simultaneously, eating a big mac while a porn star fellates him. He pictures Comey, cut off from all means of transportation, as his family sits at home, cold... frightened... hungry... from somewhere deep inside, a vile laugh rumbles. Not just a laugh, but part cough and part cackle. His maw gapes toward the ceiling as he senses his victory is complete. He guffaws loudly and evilly, pieces of hamburger and specks of french fry sputtering from his lips.
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Post by Forty Two » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:10 pm

DRSB wrote:He was in Davos. Top CEOs behave like groupies around him.
The narrative changes. First they were all going to hate him, laugh at him, or ignore him, and they were all going to certainly oppose his policies. Now they're "groupies."
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Forty Two » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:11 pm

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Illegal ones?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Trump, the man with a dream of a Wall

Post by Hermit » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:20 pm

coup de grâce, ffs.

"coup de gras", translated into English (and American for that matter) is "stroke of fat".
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