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Post by Seabass » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:18 am

“Everybody I talk to,” he said, “realizes it’s not Trump who’s dragging his feet. Trump’s probably the most diligent, hardest-working president we’ve ever had in our lifetimes. It’s not like he sleeps in till noon and goes golfing every weekend, like the last president did.”

I stopped him, informing him that, yes, Barack Obama liked to golf, but Trump in fact does golf a lot, too—more, in fact.

Del Signore was surprised to hear this.

“Does he?” he said.

“Yes,” I said.
Holy fuck. That a Trumplicant can say that with a straight face...
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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:23 am

'Trumplicant' :lol:
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Re: Republicans

Post by Tero » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:31 am

Gerrymandering:
The GOP has lost the popular vote in six of the last seven elections - two wins came as a direct result of the Electoral College.

Dems get more votes in total in the House than the GOP - GOP wins because of gerrymandering

Dems in the Senate represent 53 percent of the nations' population to the GOP's 47 percent - GOP controls the Senate because of the way the Senate allocates seats by State.

...Math checks out to me!

EDIT: AND some on the fringe right-wing want to make things even MORE lopsided by repealing the 17th Amendment, which provides direct election for Senators, and instead go back to having Senators elected by state legislatures, which would then be gerrymandered to support the GOP. Because when your ideas are so profoundly in the minority, just keep rigging the game for as long as you can!
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Post by JimC » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:34 am

One day, I suppose, democracy will reach the US...
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:09 am

L'Emmerdeur wrote:Somebody who whole-heartedly embraced Donald Trump and what he stands for lost an election last night, and he's not happy about it. (Image is a link to the tweet.)

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Re: Republicans

Post by Animavore » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:12 am

Libertarianism: The belief that out of all the terrible things governments can do, helping people is the absolute worst.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:46 pm

The thicko's of the thicko's.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:42 am

Apparently at least one Republican in a state level race used twitter bots as a propaganda tool. Perhaps Democrats are doing it as well, but so far I've been unable to find any reports of same. I suppose that could be taken by some as evidence of a left wing media bias. Better yet, make it about how the sources for the story are anonymous, then point out that it's not illegal. :smoke:

'Exclusive: Bots spread propaganda to influence high-stakes Washington state race, researchers say'
Bots and other suspicious social media accounts were used in an apparent attempt to influence voters in a heavily funded Washington state Senate race that could tip the balance of political power in the Western United States, according to a report from a non-partisan group of experienced cybersecurity researchers.

The report, which the researchers provided to GeekWire today, cites extensive evidence that suspicious Twitter accounts have been advancing attacks against Manka Dhingra, a Democrat running against Republican Jinyoung Englund in Washington’s 45th District, which includes parts of Kirkland, Redmond and Sammamish as well as other cities in the suburbs east of Seattle. After GeekWire reported on the suspicious Twitter activity, a former volunteer for Dhingra alerted us to fake accounts on Facebook as well.

The researchers behind the report, whose identities and credentials are known to GeekWire, declined to be identified publicly, saying that their broader investigation into “computational propaganda” in the U.S. and around the world would be compromised as a result.

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In their report about the 45th District, the researchers say that almost 10 percent of accounts tweeting about Englund and Dhingra over the past 30 days were classified as bots, accounts that use automation to spread messages on Twitter. “There is evidence of coordinated activity among the suspicious accounts tweeting aggressively against Manka,” the researchers write.

There’s no evidence of any illegal activity, in part because lawmakers haven’t caught up to the new ways social media is being used to spread disinformation.

The report does not identify any people or groups suspected of orchestrating the social media activity in the pivotal Washington state Senate race. However, the researchers point to the broader influence of corporate donors on the 45th District campaign.

“Funders on both sides have run divisive ads, but the fear-mongering tone of advertisements against Dhingra and exploitation of wedge issues from right-wing funders have been particularly overt this cycle,” they write in the report. “Englund’s campaign has also taken money and received support from organizations that have a documented track record of divisive and sometimes misleading campaign tactics, from big oil and big tobacco to the Koch Industries.”
Incidentally, the Democratic candidate Manka Dhingra won the seat.

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Re: Republicans

Post by Seabass » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:27 pm

Tero wrote:Gerrymandering:
The GOP has lost the popular vote in six of the last seven elections - two wins came as a direct result of the Electoral College.

Dems get more votes in total in the House than the GOP - GOP wins because of gerrymandering

Dems in the Senate represent 53 percent of the nations' population to the GOP's 47 percent - GOP controls the Senate because of the way the Senate allocates seats by State.

...Math checks out to me!

EDIT: AND some on the fringe right-wing want to make things even MORE lopsided by repealing the 17th Amendment, which provides direct election for Senators, and instead go back to having Senators elected by state legislatures, which would then be gerrymandered to support the GOP. Because when your ideas are so profoundly in the minority, just keep rigging the game for as long as you can!
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Virginia was a huge victory for Democrats. But it also shows how elections are rigged in Republicans' favor.
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Re: Republicans

Post by JimC » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:08 pm

If you let politicians manage electoral boundaries, you are going to have rampant, institutionalised gerrymandering. We have an independent electoral commission, which is much more sensible, IMO...
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Post by Seabass » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:19 pm

JimC wrote:We have an independent electoral commission, which is much more sensible, IMO...
Lol. Doesn't pretty much everyone other than the US have that?
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Re: Republicans

Post by JimC » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:11 am

Seabass wrote:
JimC wrote:We have an independent electoral commission, which is much more sensible, IMO...
Lol. Doesn't pretty much everyone other than the US have that?
And that's the weird thing - how did you guys let this happen? It's like giving the keys to the blood bank to Dracula...
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Re: Republicans

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:39 am

Seabass wrote:
JimC wrote:We have an independent electoral commission, which is much more sensible, IMO...
Lol. Doesn't pretty much everyone other than the US have that?
Some think it is independent like in Britain. Gerrymandering has been used by both major parties but when the SNP can get double the LibDem seats with half the vote it is obvious something is wrong. In 2015 UKIP (I am absolutely no supporter but in fairness of democracy) achieved 1,8 million votes double SNP and only got one seat and the SNP 56 something is very very wrong.
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Re: Republicans

Post by JimC » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:07 pm

Results of that nature are not necessarily gerrymandering, which is specifically about shifting electoral boundaries to the benefit of one particular party. Small parties like the UKIP may have a significant overall vote, but rarely achieve a high enough percentage in a given seat to win it. Proportional representation attempts to address this.
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Re: Republicans

Post by Tero » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:06 am

Allegations? Now we are really going to vote for him! Show them libruls!
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