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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:00 am

Trump and Bannon and their true believers think this is just sour grapes, I guess.

'Jeff Flake's 9 toughest hits on Trump'
Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake announced Tuesday that he will not seek re-election in 2018, and then promptly took the Senate floor and began a lengthy screed against the state of Republican politics in the Trump era.

Flake wrote a book titled "Conscience of a Conservative," published in August, that featured a similar argument. He has been consistently critical of President Donald Trump's rhetoric, making him a target for pro-Trump forces in the coming primary season. With his decision Tuesday, that fight is settled -- but a larger battle might now be joined.

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"We must never adjust to the present coarseness of our national dialogue -- with the tone set at the top. We must never regard as 'normal' the regular and casual undermining of our democratic norms and ideals. We must never meekly accept the daily sundering of our country -- the personal attacks, the threats against principles, freedoms, and institutions, the flagrant disregard for truth or decency, the reckless provocations, most often for the pettiest and most personal reasons, reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the fortunes of the people that we have all been elected to serve."

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"[W]e must stop pretending that the degradation of our politics and the conduct of some in our executive branch are normal. They are not normal. Reckless, outrageous, and undignified behavior has become excused and countenanced as 'telling it like it is,' when it is actually just reckless, outrageous, and undignified."

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"And when such behavior emanates from the top of our government, it is something else: It is dangerous to a democracy. Such behavior does not project strength -- because our strength comes from our values. It instead projects a corruption of the spirit, and weakness."

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"The notion that one should stay silent as the norms and values that keep America strong are undermined and as the alliances and agreements that ensure the stability of the entire world are routinely threatened by the level of thought that goes into 140 characters -- the notion that one should say and do nothing in the face of such mercurial behavior is ahistoric and, I believe, profoundly misguided."

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"We were not made great as a country by indulging or even exalting our worst impulses, turning against ourselves, glorying in the things which divide us, and calling fake things true and true things fake."

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Re: Republicans

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:20 am

Members of the Republican party complaining about Trump is a bit rich. Their brand of conservatism is probably what is primarily responsible for the Trump phenomenon.
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Re: Republicans

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:59 am

pErvin wrote:Members of the Republican party complaining about Trump is a bit rich. Their brand of conservatism is probably what is primarily responsible for the Trump phenomenon.
That and the right wing media like Fox and daytime political talk radio (which in the US is almost exclusively right wing, in many cases from the wingnut fringe). In fact Flake has pretty much voted in favor of the Trump agenda.

Meanwhile, hey, the future Republican senator from Alabama:

"Roy Moore: Gay marriage ruling ‘even worse’ than 1857 pro-slavery decision"

Republican Alabama Senate nominee Roy Moore once argued that the Supreme Court’s decision to legalize gay marriage was “even worse” than its ruling in the 19th century Dred Scott case, which found that African-Americans were not citizens, and therefore property.

“Yes, sir. I was simply pointing out that in 1857 the United States Supreme Court did rule that black people were property. And of course that contradicted the Constitution and it took a civil war to overturn it,” the former Alabama Supreme Court chief justice told the “Here I Stand” podcast last November.

“But this ruling in Obergefell is even worse, in a sense, because it forces not only people to recognize marriage other than the institution ordained of God and recognized by nearly every state in the union, it says that you now must do away with the definition of marriage and make it between two persons of the same gender or leading on, as one of the dissenting justices said, to polygamy, to multi ... partner marriages.”

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Moore argued that the Obergefell v. Hodges case requires Christians to “give up their religious freedom.”

“We’ve got to go back and recognize that what they did in Obergefell was not only to take and create a right that does not exist under the Constitution but then to mandate that that right compels Christians to give up their religious freedom and liberty,” Moore continued in the podcast.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:06 am

"Acting on conscience and principle is the manner in which we express our moral selves, and as such, loyalty to conscience and principle should supersede loyalty to any man or party. We can all be forgiven for failing in that measure from time to time. I certainly put myself at the top of the list of those who fall short in that regard. I am holier-than-none. But too often, we rush not to salvage principle but to forgive and excuse our failures so that we might accommodate them and go right on failing — until the accommodation itself becomes our principle.

In that way and over time, we can justify almost any behavior and sacrifice almost any principle. I’m afraid that is where we now find ourselves." -- Jeff Flake
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Post by Tero » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:28 am

Mnuchin has the gall to talk about tax cuts and the working class (or is he talking hard working accountants?LOL):

Schumer also attacked Mnuchin’s assertion that failure to pass the GOP’s tax bill would lead to a major sell-off on Wall Street. “It’s absurd. No one believes Steven Mnuchin,” he said. “He has lost his credibility because of statements like that. Wall Street was going up at a dramatic rate before the president even took office, and it’s doing fine now, because the economy’s doing well, because corporate profits are way up.”

A Treasury spokesperson said "we are surprised to hear the minority leader express these comments about the secretary.”


“The secretary is committed to delivering a major middle-class tax cut, more competitive business taxes that create jobs and wage growth and a fairer tax system,” the spokesperson said. “This would be a good time for Sen. Schumer to stop the obstruction and help hard-working Americans get meaningful tax relief."
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When businesses pay less tax they almost never hire staff. They pass on profits to owners.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:56 am

The evidence is clear: cutting corporate taxes doesn't create jobs, it creates assets. Assets are value that is taken out of economic circulation, and thereby tending to depress the economy rather than boost it. If corporations were setting 10% of profits aside in dividends and ploughing 90% back into the business then it would probably create jobs, and improve wages and conditions etc, but unfortunately the balance is the other way round at the moment, by quite a bit. This is why stock markets are high and getting higher while wages stagnate against rising costs. Really, this trickle-down nonsense was debunked 30 years ago - it's a mantra, an ideology, an excuse, not a sound economic principle.
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Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:11 pm

Jeff Flake, lol, bitching about Trump, but he voted yes on banning federal funding for abortion, and voted no on embryonic stem cell research approvals. He voted yes to ban transporting a minor across a state line so she can get an abortion. Voted yes on a constitutional amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman. Voted yes on making Patriot act permanent. Voted yes on constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. Voted yes on "protecting" the Pledge of Allegiance by making it compulsory. Voted yes on a federal law prohibiting flag "desecration." Voted yes on a proposed law allowing mandatory school prayer during the "war on terror." Supports a Constitutional amendment for prayer in public schools.

The list goes on and on. This is the guy we're supposed to take seriously in criticizing Trump. This is an establishment religious right conservative. Of course he's harping about Trump, who is an amoral, pragmatic, political outsider.

Give me Trump over Flake any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Post by Tero » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:52 pm

Republicans want to destroy 401K for sure. Social Security next.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:15 pm

Making America Great Again.
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Re: Republicans

Post by Tero » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:20 pm

GOP shouldn't raid 401(k) plans to pay for tax cuts
The GOP's tax bill may still include a bid to reduce the amount of tax-deferred money employees can put into 401(k) savings plans.
America is already in a retirement savings crisis. This proposal would exacerbate the crisis.
In essence, it would raise taxes on middle-class retirement savers to fund tax cuts for the wealthy.

This proposal is not really about retirement policy. Rather, it is one of several efforts by Republican lawmakers to make up for the federal revenues that will be lost when they slash corporate tax rates and give massive tax cuts to the highest-income Americans. In essence, it would raise taxes on middle-class retirement savers to fund tax cuts for the wealthy.
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Re: Republicans

Post by Animavore » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:09 pm

Libertarianism: The belief that out of all the terrible things governments can do, helping people is the absolute worst.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:18 pm

That is a pay wall.
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Post by Animavore » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:22 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:That is a pay wall.
Open in private or incognito mode. ;)
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:27 pm

Animavore wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:That is a pay wall.
Open in private or incognito mode. ;)
It works but that is a bit too simple. Does not work with London Times.
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Re: Republicans

Post by Forty Two » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:28 pm

EPA grants account for $4 billion worth of its budget?

Damn. 4,000 millions.... They can give out 4,000 grants of $1,000,000 each. LOL. I'm sure there's no waste and favors going on there. In politics? Nawww! Never!
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