Las Vegas Music Festival Massacre

[Rum]

Have been waiting & waiting for some insight & alternative possibilities over this little psyop.

We KNOW that there was more than one gunman. The police say that it was from the 32nd floor. But earlier they said it was from the 4th floor, and video proves it; it shows the muzzle flashes at the 4th floor and the sound of one, then two, or more, machine guns firing. You don't get 59 immediate deaths from a single machine gun at that range:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=475_Hc5MheI


We KNOW it is a psyop, because they covered up this 4th floor detail, and because they announced every detail about the so-called 'lone' perpetrator (memories of Oswald?) within a few hours, as they did with JFK & 9/11 "Osama did it".

Why do it? To get guns off everyone... anything stronger than a pea-shooter. Why disarm the population? So that it can be easily cowed. Why subjugate them? So that they can be rounded up and/or exterminated without much opposition.

Still, there are two positive outcomes to this tragedy:

1) Now Americans get a glimmer of what they've been doing to the rest of the world for decades; to bring them "freedom & democracy". Maybe some even know what it feels like to be at the butt end of "friendly fire", "collateral damage", and "surgical strikes".

2) Now (hopefully) the "indispensible & exceptional" nation has less money to waste on global bloodthirsty adventures

This is fucking moronic even by your hyper-moronic standards. Fuck off.

[pErvinalia]

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[mistermack]

Trump is clearly insulting the intelligence of American voters.

And he's clearly got it right.

[Brian Peacock]

What happened to Nibiru wiping us out, G?

Wasn't she the sexy one from the Avatar movie? She can wipe me any day of the week.

[pErvinalia]

edit: oops, saw the quote..

[Forty Two]

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Those are not contradictory positions to take, since assault weapon is a much narrower term than "rifle." I support, generally, a ban on assault weapons, too, but I would not support a wholesale ban on rifles. Maybe he's for the Scandinavian model of gun control. Let me call my uncles and cousins and see if they're back from elk/moose hunting with their rifles, yet.

[Forty Two]

"The guy was shooting full auto out of a window at Mandalay Bay hotel. How in the world would people in the crowd shoot him with .38's in their belts?"
YES now just think a little more and you might get the fucking point ... No, shut up ! try thinking ..you can get there ... the truth might dawn on you if you use your tiny fucking brain, just this once
NOW answer one question should people with mental disorders be allowed to buy assault rifles and limitless ammo ?
Tell me does the standard NRA excuse EVERY TIME there is a MASS shooting that "one brave patriot with a gun could have stopped it"actually ring true ?
If that crowd of inbred retards ( country music remember ) had been armed the body count would have been higher because they would have shot each other in a panic .

Wow, that's rather pErvin-ish of you.

How about you just MAKE your point, instead of just making snotty comments about everyone in the crowd being armed. Nobody has suggested that people walking into the concert with personal firearms would have allowed them to prevent the event from occurring. The point I made in response to yours is that nobody who actually thinks about the issue would suggest that arming everyone in the crowd is a solution or proposed solution for automatic weapons fire from hotel window.

Should people with mental disorders be allowed to buy assault rifles and limitless ammo? No, they shouldn't. And, they're not legally allowed to.

Does the standard NRA excuse "one brave patriot with a gun could have stopped it" ring true? Sometimes, but it depends on the circumstance. In this circumstance, no. In other circumstances, yes (if it's in closer quarters, a home invasion, or a handgun assassination attempt - something like that).

This was a concert in Las Vegas, and the nonsense you're spewing about it being a "crowd of inbreds" because it is a country music concert does not reflect well on you. Country music is a popular form of music outside of the deep south (which is the area where this incest joke comes from). People in Las Vegas are from all over the country, and it's not southern state to begin with. People all across the north love country music, and go to concerts. They were normal people there, not a "crowd of inbreds."

This guy had illegal weapons on him. He wouldn't have been able to do this kind of thing with a legal weapon. He had multiple automatics and was spraying at full auto into a close crowd. If you'd care to explain how banning .306's and or Remington R-25s is going to stop people from blowing out the window in a hotel and spraying thousands of rounds into a crowd of people with a fully automatic machine gun, well, feel free.

And, I'm not against gun regulations and gun laws in general. So, don't go down the personal attack path (further) by trying to lump me in with them and namecall.

[Forty Two]

Can anyone who thinks gun control is a bad idea please send me a .338 lup (a "big green" from AI would be nice ) I've never been charged with a crime or even arrested......So I have the RIGHT to own one ?

Doesn't it depend on the gun control?

I mean, we do have some gun control. The weapons Paddock used were illegal, and there are significant background check, waiting period, and registration requirements, and such.

What gun control proposals are you referring to, which would have had a reasonable chance of stopping Paddock?

Lots of gun control measures are good ideas.

[Animavore]

Let's not forget the other, interlinked tragedy in all of this. Lack of universal healthcare.

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/02/las ... alth-care/

A country which is planning massive tax cuts for corporations, including arms giants and health and insurance companies, companies which will benefit from the shooting, but can't seem to afford adequate healthcare for its citizens. These victims will be hit with bills and some will resort to Gofundme donations.

[Brian Peacock]

America can't deal with the gun issue because America lives in fear of the gun. It's a truly vicious circle. Every time one of these horrible events makes it to the evening news guns sales go up the next day. You could have a Las Vegas massacre every day of the week and people would still think that guns are the only solution to guns.

[Animavore]

Share prices have gone up for some gun companies as early as yesterday afternoon as stockbrokers predict an uptick in sales.

[pErvinalia]

It's good for the economy!

[Forty Two]

Worthless shooters, a world a baddies to choose from and they shoot random people having a good time, or kids in a school.

I'm done having this conversation in America btw it's difficult and utterly pointless.

It is very sad that reason cannot prevail with this issue given the thousands (literally) who have died in mass shootings in recent years. Even something as major as this isn't going to make a difference I fear. These things are almost routine and the gun lobby just shrugs its shoulders and rubs its greedy little mitts as more people buy guns to 'protect themselves' from this sort of violence.

understood and I agree something must be done, but what? This guy had automatic weapons, which are illegal already for almost everyone. What good would banning a handguns and hunting weapons do?

At what point do we start saying that your culture is toxic? And while the vast majority of people don't commit mass murder, you've got to wonder what's driving those people that do.

You can say it whenever you want, because it's about as meaningful a term as the word "toxin" in the diet and nutrition context. You have to get rid of toxins. You have to rid your society of its toxicity. It's absolutely meaningless.

The US actually has, across the board, a very good statistical record with weapons. There's like 310 million guns privately owned in the US. Of those, a very very small percentage are actually used against human beings, and many of those uses are in self defense.

In most states, if you look state-by-state in the US, the gun homicide rate is very, very low. It's amazingly low, given how many guns there are out there, actually. What gets the US gun homicide rate up is primarily the "war on drugs." Gangs and other criminal enterprises use guns to do their business, and the vast majority of gun homicides occur in inner cities and are non-gun crime related, mostly drugs. Decriminalize drugs. Get non-violent drug offenders out of prison, so they don't go to "college" there." Allow drugs to be sold safely and legally, and instead fund programs to minimize use and treat addicts, and the wind would be taken out of that entire industry, and you'd see, in my opinion, a massive reduction in gun homicides.

Now, that having been said, the amount that are used for ill are a significant problem for our country to deal with, and I recognize that. There have been a lot of mass shootings lately, what with Pulse and this one ,and several others. 2017 is working out to have as many mass shootings as the entire decade of the 1980s. I'm a bit at a loss, because other than banning all semiautomatic rifles, I'm not sure what would stop this guy from shooting out that hotel window. But, I am open to suggestions.

[Animavore]

America can't deal with the gun issue because America lives in fear of the gun. It's a truly vicious circle. Every time one of these horrible events makes it to the evening news guns sales go up the next day. You could have a Las Vegas massacre every day of the week and people would still think that guns are the only solution to guns.

You can couple that with an aggressive constitutionolatry. Many Americans talk about their rights being enshrined in the constitution as if it were written in stone. Trying to change it is met with staunch resistance. I'm sure there's a history to why this Is, but it's odd to me as a person from a country with a liquid constitution which can have any article changed by popular referendum.