Straya!

[JimC]

They certainly tap dance their way around the truth...

[Brian Peacock]

No, what I said is that it increases the chances. It doesn't mean every furriner is corrupted or similarly no Strayan can be corrupted.

I would be interested to know exactly how duel citizenship increases the chances of a politician being swayable or below reproach (he shoots, he scores!).

[pErvinalia]

They may hold embarrassing information about you, they may be in a position to allow or deny a family member citizenship/asylum. There's heaps of possibilities.

[Brian Peacock]

They may hold embarrassing information about you, they may be in a position to allow or deny a family member citizenship/asylum. There's heaps of possibilities.

Isn't that a possibility with any politician though, as Hermy pointed out with Turnbull and Indian coal? What is it about dual citizenship which 'increases the chances' of a politician being less than squeaky clean? Many Ozzies have duel UK citizenship, does that 'increase the chances' for reprehensible action also?

My point is a plain and straightforward one I think. Sure, have some conditions on elected office - confirmed residence for a certain period, up-to-date tax records, or whatever - but an outright bar on those with a whiff of the outlander about them seems a little over the top imo.

[JimC]

They could recuse themselves in any debate or vote that has a connection to their "other country"...

[Brian Peacock]

Yeah, that too.

[pErvinalia]

They may hold embarrassing information about you, they may be in a position to allow or deny a family member citizenship/asylum. There's heaps of possibilities.

Isn't that a possibility with any politician though, as Hermy pointed out with Turnbull and Indian coal?

Didn't I just explicitly address this fucking point in my second to last post to you?!? My depression is hitting me hard the last few days and I'm wanting to reach for the 'r' word. Don't push me with your idiotic replies.

What is it about dual citizenship which 'increases the chances' of a politician being less than squeaky clean?

I literally just answered that fucking question. Jesus Christ.

Many Ozzies have duel UK citizenship, does that 'increase the chances' for reprehensible action also?

You seem to be struggling here to understand the difference between an ordinary citizen and someone who is responsible for the laws and governance of the country.

[Brian Peacock]

They may hold embarrassing information about you, they may be in a position to allow or deny a family member citizenship/asylum. There's heaps of possibilities.

Isn't that a possibility with any politician though, as Hermy pointed out with Turnbull and Indian coal?

Didn't I just explicitly address this fucking point in my second to last post to you?!? My depression is hitting me hard the last few days and I'm wanting to reach for the 'r' word. Don't push me with your idiotic replies.

What is it about dual citizenship which 'increases the chances' of a politician being less than squeaky clean?

I literally just answered that fucking question. Jesus Christ.

All you said was that somebody might have embarrassing info on someone or be in a position to do something nefarious. I'm asking you to directly connect dual citizenship to those assumptions.

Many Ozzies have duel UK citizenship, does that 'increase the chances' for reprehensible action also?

You seem to be struggling here to understand the difference between an ordinary citizen and someone who is responsible for the laws and governance of the country.

Am I really struggling to understand the responsibilities of elected office? Again, what is the actual problem with dual citizenship, which is something you say 'increases the chances' of somebody in a position of responsibility acting irresponsibly - but which you have done little, so far, to support?

[JimC]

I think it has the potential for causing problems down the track, particularly if it were hidden. If there was a public register, which also contained some form of statement from the politician, there should be no problem.

"G'day, Australia. My name is Joe Blogs, and I'm the proud representative of the good folk in Buggerup, WA. I was born in Oz, but my Dad was a kiwi. I am an Aussie citizen, and declare that my potential kiwi citizenship to be null and void"

[pErvinalia]

They may hold embarrassing information about you, they may be in a position to allow or deny a family member citizenship/asylum. There's heaps of possibilities.

Isn't that a possibility with any politician though, as Hermy pointed out with Turnbull and Indian coal?

Didn't I just explicitly address this fucking point in my second to last post to you?!? My depression is hitting me hard the last few days and I'm wanting to reach for the 'r' word. Don't push me with your idiotic replies.

Urrhh, apologies for that. I've seen the psych now and got some new medicine.

[pErvinalia]

They may hold embarrassing information about you, they may be in a position to allow or deny a family member citizenship/asylum. There's heaps of possibilities.

Isn't that a possibility with any politician though, as Hermy pointed out with Turnbull and Indian coal?

Didn't I just explicitly address this fucking point in my second to last post to you?!? My depression is hitting me hard the last few days and I'm wanting to reach for the 'r' word. Don't push me with your idiotic replies.

What is it about dual citizenship which 'increases the chances' of a politician being less than squeaky clean?

I literally just answered that fucking question. Jesus Christ.

All you said was that somebody might have embarrassing info on someone or be in a position to do something nefarious. I'm asking you to directly connect dual citizenship to those assumptions.

Man, that's exactly what I did. It doesn't have to be exclusive to a case of dual citizenship for it to be relevant. And besides, I gave a specific example related to dual citizenship with a relative applying for citizenship or asylum in the second country.

[pErvinalia]

I think it has the potential for causing problems down the track, particularly if it were hidden. If there was a public register, which also contained some form of statement from the politician, there should be no problem.

"G'day, Australia. My name is Joe Blogs, and I'm the proud representative of the good folk in Buggerup, WA. I was born in Oz, but my Dad was a kiwi. I am an Aussie citizen, and declare that my potential kiwi citizenship to be null and void"

The problem with that is that you'd end up with classes of dual-citizenship. Dual Aussie-Kiwis and Aussie-Poms will be considered fine, while an Aussie-Nigerian will be looked on with more suspicion (due to inherent racism of our country), and not to mention a dual Aussie-Palestinian.

[Hermit]

They may hold embarrassing information about you, they may be in a position to allow or deny a family member citizenship/asylum. There's heaps of possibilities.

Isn't that a possibility with any politician though, as Hermy pointed out with Turnbull and Indian coal?

Didn't I just explicitly address this fucking point in my second to last post to you?!? My depression is hitting me hard the last few days and I'm wanting to reach for the 'r' word. Don't push me with your idiotic replies.

The question was whether politicians are more vulnerable to being blackmailed using embarrassing information about them on account of their dual citizenship, than those who only hold the Australian one. You did not address that point at all. There is nothing in the least idiotic about Brian's post.

Sorry about your depression. Keep it in mind when posting, please. It's a piss-poor excuse for being a dick and writing like dodo. You're better than him.

[pErvinalia]

They may hold embarrassing information about you, they may be in a position to allow or deny a family member citizenship/asylum. There's heaps of possibilities.

Isn't that a possibility with any politician though, as Hermy pointed out with Turnbull and Indian coal?

Didn't I just explicitly address this fucking point in my second to last post to you?!? My depression is hitting me hard the last few days and I'm wanting to reach for the 'r' word. Don't push me with your idiotic replies.

The question was whether politicians are more vulnerable to being blackmailed using embarrassing information about them on account of their dual citizenship, than those who only hold the Australian one. You did not address that point at all. There is nothing in the least idiotic about Brian's post.

I absolutely did and gave two cases where that is so.

Sorry about your depression. Keep it in mind when posting, please. It's a piss-poor excuse for being a dick and writing like dodo. You're better than him.

these days I'm not so sure about that..

[Hermit]

They may hold embarrassing information about you, they may be in a position to allow or deny a family member citizenship/asylum. There's heaps of possibilities.

Isn't that a possibility with any politician though, as Hermy pointed out with Turnbull and Indian coal?

Didn't I just explicitly address this fucking point in my second to last post to you?!? My depression is hitting me hard the last few days and I'm wanting to reach for the 'r' word. Don't push me with your idiotic replies.

The question was whether politicians are more vulnerable to being blackmailed using embarrassing information about them on account of their dual citizenship, than those who only hold the Australian one. You did not address that point at all. There is nothing in the least idiotic about Brian's post.

I absolutely did and gave two cases where that is so.

I just went through the last two pages of this thread. If you gave two cases, someone must have deleted that post.

BRIAAAAAAAAAANNNNN? How could you?

Or was it Jim? Come to think of, he describes himself as a centrist. Historically, centrists have always finished up as useful idiots for fascists. So it was probably him. Sorry, Brian. You're off the hook this time. Be careful though. I'm watching you!