Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

[mistermack]

Your apparent hatred of the British belittles you. The 'lazy' approach to EU immigration you describe was in fact a deliberate policy of Tony Blair's and Gordon Brown's who decided on an open door policy for their own economic purposes. Under New Labour our economy grew pretty fast too.

And crashed just as mightily.
Like most other countries, it was fake growth based on a bubble.
But they did get elected several times on the back of it.

The open door policy also stoked a bigger bubble, the property bubble, which was so wonderful that now young people can't afford to buy. Great for the rich though.

All in all, the people at the bottom have been fucked up both by Europe, and the UK politicians, with their open door.
Rich farmers and shareholders and landowners have been the big winners.

[Rum]

I think the New Labour project was more than that. They gave business a free hand and watched the tax take grow and grow from the richest. It is often forgotten that they then spent huge amounts on new hospitals, schools and other social institutions. It was 'new' for Labour and of course the left hated it.

Time as ever moves on of course and we are in a very different place now.

[Scot Dutchy]

I cant disagree with that assessment MM.

[Alan B]

And then, of course, there is 'Austerity'. A policy dreamt up on the back of the banking fraternity's fuck-up without any consideration as to it's consequences. The economies and hardships affects most of the population (not the rich) which results in some people idiotically 'blaming the EU' for the 'lack of jobs', etc. - therefore Brexit.

'Austerity' is a Tory fuck-up which, I feel, has indirectly resulted in the mind-set of this Brexit crap thinking that if we went it alone, everything will be all right with 'plenty of jobs', 'get rid of the forriners', 'Britain for the British', blah, blah, blah, and all the other stuff that is 'wrong' with the UK.

If the banking crisis had not happened and 'Austerity' was not introduced, would we have this Brexit situation?

But as far as Brexit is concerned, I have read some reports that in Article 50 there is an option to cancel.

[mistermack]

I think the New Labour project was more than that. They gave business a free hand and watched the tax take grow and grow from the richest. It is often forgotten that they then spent huge amounts on new hospitals, schools and other social institutions. It was 'new' for Labour and of course the left hated it.

Time as ever moves on of course and we are in a very different place now.

From memory, most of their capital spending was done with the "Private Finance Initiative" which means that it's current and future taxpayers that are paying for it while Blair and Brown got the credit from the gullible electorate.
Yet again, it was giant banks that were creaming off interest money from the health service.
The UK could have got the money a lot cheaper, if the government had borrowed the money itself.
But that would not have looked so good, come election time, with the media quoting the borrowing figures.

In any case, Labour is still taking the credit for spending that the Tories are having to pay off.

[Scot Dutchy]

And then, of course, there is 'Austerity'. A policy dreamt up on the back of the banking fraternity's fuck-up without any consideration as to it's consequences. The economies and hardships affects most of the population (not the rich) which results in some people idiotically 'blaming the EU' for the 'lack of jobs', etc. - therefore Brexit.

'Austerity' is a Tory fuck-up which, I feel, has indirectly resulted in the mind-set of this Brexit crap thinking that if we went it alone, everything will be all right with 'plenty of jobs', 'get rid of the forriners', 'Britain for the British', blah, blah, blah, and all the other stuff that is 'wrong' with the UK.

If the banking crisis had not happened and 'Austerity' was not introduced, would we have this Brexit situation?

But as far as Brexit is concerned, I have read some reports that in Article 50 there is an option to cancel.

I entirely agree Alan.

In art 50 there is no repeal mechanism sorry. The date of departure can be extended but that needs a majority vote in the European Council which is not a given.

The Brexiteers just did not think it through and if they think the EU will be friendly well their judgement of human kind is very limited. The UK is not respected and it has been a pain in the arse since came in 40 years ago.

[Alan B]

In art 50 there is no repeal mechanism sorry. The date of departure can be extended but that needs a majority vote in the European Council which is not a given.

The Brexiteers just did not think it through and if they think the EU will be friendly well their judgement of human kind is very limited. The UK is not respected and it has been a pain in the arse since came in 40 years ago.

OK. But apparently it can still be cancelled...
Business Insider

Some of the most powerful people in Europe are now gathering around and telling May (and the public) in no uncertain terms that Britain is welcome to cancel Brexit. On Tuesday afternoon that was made incredibly clear by two prominent EU politicians.

German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble told Bloomberg that while it was "up to the British government to take their own decisions," Germany would not stand in the way of the UK returning to the union.

[mistermack]

The UK is not respected and it has been a pain in the arse since came in 40 years ago.

Except when it comes to paying the bills.
Britain has always paid more than others, and have been subsidising French and Dutch farmers the whole time.

No wonder they are trying to extort money on our departure. They don't like the thought of paying their own way.

[Strontium Dog]

Anybody who thinks Brexit is about the economy is a retard and should just stop posting on the issue.

Everything is about the economy.

[Strontium Dog]

I think the New Labour project was more than that. They gave business a free hand and watched the tax take grow and grow from the richest. It is often forgotten that they then spent huge amounts on new hospitals, schools and other social institutions.

I don't think anyone has forgotten; since they built all those schools and hospitals on PFI, we're still paying for it!

[Scot Dutchy]

The UK is not respected and it has been a pain in the arse since came in 40 years ago.

Except when it comes to paying the bills.
Britain has always paid more than others, and have been subsidising French and Dutch farmers the whole time.

No wonder they are trying to extort money on our departure. They don't like the thought of paying their own way.

Sometimes you really a way off target. We are the greatest net contributor but we dont complain.

Netherlands largest net contributor EU this century

The UK only pays 0.2% more than it receives. We pay 4.1%.

[Scot Dutchy]

Well the travelling arrangements post Brexit are looking pretty challenging.

Red tape for British travellers will become more tangled once the UK leaves the EU

Why are you travelling, where are you staying, how are you feeling? Those are some of the many questions that British holidaymakers and business travellers are likely to face when they travel abroad after the UK leaves the EU, if the latest proposals from Brussels take effect.

What will change?

At present, British citizens are entitled to travel anywhere in the EU simply by presenting their passport: a French, Spanish or Italian border guard is permitted only to check that the travel document is valid, and yours. Where you plan to go is none of his or her business.

But once the UK leaves the EU, British citizens will become “third country nationals” with no automatic right of admission. While the Brexit negotiations continue, a European initiative is being developed to strengthen the EU’s external borders: the European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS). Citizens of non-EU countries who do not currently need visas will need to register their details and their intentions online.

More...

So popping over to Paris for a weekend becomes more complicated.

[mistermack]

Sometimes you really a way off target.

We pay 4.1%.

[Scot Dutchy]

What is funny about distorting my post.

[rainbow]

So popping over to Paris for a weekend becomes more complicated.

Yes, but there's always the Isle on Man: