Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

[mistermack]

A lot of people are asleep to how far the EU interferes now in every corner of life.
Some of it is ok, a lot of it not.

The shit doesn't even have to come directly any more. Our courts are making decisions that they never would have in the past, just because they know that if they chose the sensible option, the European Court would overturn it.
So just by being there, Europe is fucking up this country, not by doing stuff, but by the unspoken knowledge that if you act in a certain way, it will be overruled.

I want a government that if free of big brother, and courts that can make common-sense rulings, knowing that they won't get overruled from across the sea.
The European project is to make it all one country, with the Brussels fat-cat mandarins and Germans in charge of everything.

Go for that if you want it by all means, but don't pretend it's other than it is.


Just the other day, our courts ruled that care workers who sleep over have to get paid the minimum wage whilst they are sleeping. That would NEVER have happened if we had free courts. They look over their shoulder, see who's watching them, and make their pronouncements to please their European masters.
They have to, or have their decisions overturned and pay all the legal costs as well.

Not only do charities now have to pay workers the full rate while they sleep, they have to pay about four years back-pay for sleeping workers as well. That's another thing that would never happen in a free country.

All in all, freedom isn't just words. It's real life. It's worth paying for.

[Scot Dutchy]

Enjoy the third world you deserve it. Like all Brexiteers you cant think straight. In fact you cant think when it comes to the EU. You have swallowed the crap from the Wail and Scum. Just bloody think, read and learn.

[Rum]

I don't think it is quite as black and white as that. After all the vote was split near enough 50/50 and not all brexit voters are idiots, jingoists or isolationists. Some I am sure believed it is in our best overall interests. I don't agree with that as it happens...but there was a referendum after all.

To take the 'pay while you sleep' issue. If you have to sleep at your place of work it is only just that you should be paid. Your time is being taken up by our employer after all. Whether it should be full pau is another matter.

On the other hand the rules and regulations in Europe concerning employment protection have resulted in very high youth unemployment levels. In France it is particularly obvious even on a walk on the streets. Here in the UK youth unemployment has dropped a lot aas has overall unemployment, but at what cost? Very (very) low income levels for the poorest and little protection - lots of zero hours contracts etc.

[Scot Dutchy]

I don't think it is quite as black and white as that. After all the vote was split near enough 50/50 and not all brexit voters are idiots, jingoists or isolationists. Some I am sure believed it is in our best overall interests. I don't agree with that as it happens...but there was a referendum after all.

To take the 'pay while you sleep' issue. If you have to sleep at your place of work it is only just that you should be paid. Your time is being taken up by our employer after all. Whether it should be full pau is another matter.

On the other hand the rules and regulations in Europe concerning employment protection have resulted in very high youth unemployment levels. In France it is particularly obvious even on a walk on the streets. Here in the UK youth unemployment has dropped a lot aas has overall unemployment, but at what cost? Very (very) low income levels for the poorest and little protection - lots of zero hours contracts etc.

Please dont count zero contracts. They are illegal here.

[Hermit]

my post was about the RECENT financial markets

Yeah. Right. So, according to you "the prospect of a Labour government let by Corbyn" is something that sprang up three months after the election and the significant and sudden drop immediately following the referendum was just a random event. Nothing to do with the referendum at all. Not at all.

[Rum]

I don't think it is quite as black and white as that. After all the vote was split near enough 50/50 and not all brexit voters are idiots, jingoists or isolationists. Some I am sure believed it is in our best overall interests. I don't agree with that as it happens...but there was a referendum after all.

To take the 'pay while you sleep' issue. If you have to sleep at your place of work it is only just that you should be paid. Your time is being taken up by our employer after all. Whether it should be full pau is another matter.

On the other hand the rules and regulations in Europe concerning employment protection have resulted in very high youth unemployment levels. In France it is particularly obvious even on a walk on the streets. Here in the UK youth unemployment has dropped a lot aas has overall unemployment, but at what cost? Very (very) low income levels for the poorest and little protection - lots of zero hours contracts etc.

Please dont count zero contracts. They are illegal here.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'count'. They are a reality here and part of the working economy in the UK. The government say they disapprove of course and say they discouraging them but being the Capitalism supporters they are I'm not sure how enthusiastically they are doing so. I was simply trying to point out the advantages and disadvantages of high vs low regulation of labour regulations and laws.

[mistermack]

The problem of zero hours contracts is that there is a pool of unskilled labour willing to take them.
And the reason for that is the EU. and other unskilled immigration.

If there wasn't a constant surplus of foreign people happy to work for the minimum wage, the employers wouldn't get many takers for zero hours contracts. They would have to work to attract staff, even unskilled.

Of course, that surplus isn't there just because of the EU, it's because our government are a bunch of liars and not enforcing any kind of border control, except for sporadic token gestures.
The figures say it all.

[Scot Dutchy]

If the UK had implemented the EU regulations regarding EU immigrants they would not have the problem of unemployed or low paid EU immigrants. But they were lazy and now blame on the EU.

[Rum]

What rules was the UK breaking? EU membership requires the free movement of people from member states and the right to employment in them.

[Brian Peacock]

The problem of zero hours contracts is that there is a pool of unskilled labour willing to take them.
And the reason for that is the EU. and other unskilled immigration.

Yeah, that's right. Its all down to The EU and absolutely nothing to do with the 2010-15 government's reform of employment law. And even if it were, it was probably be The EU that made them do it. The EU is the meta-scapegoat of our modern times - fair makes one pine for the good old days when we could just blame the Jews, the Irish, and the Blacks eh?

If there wasn't a constant surplus of foreign people happy to work for the minimum wage, the employers wouldn't get many takers for zero hours contracts. They would have to work to attract staff, even unskilled.

Of course, that surplus isn't there just because of the EU, it's because our government are a bunch of liars and not enforcing any kind of border control, except for sporadic token gestures.
The figures say it all.

Which figures? Where? What do they say, exactly?

[Scot Dutchy]

What rules was the UK breaking? EU membership requires the free movement of people from member states and the right to employment in them.

It was not breaking any rules but it failed to implement rules that would have saved it from having too many EU citizens.
The rules are simple enough but you need some sort of organisation to handle them. Here it is the Immigration and Nationalisation Service.

[Strontium Dog]

Sterling vs the dollar:

[pErvinalia]

I can't stop looking at your avatar.

[Rum]

The Dutchman will just say 'No'!

[pErvinalia]

You're right. Dutch girls are so much better looking that that. Not plastic like her. And they wear clogs!