Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

[mistermack]

You are right to assume the EU has all the power. The UK monkeys think they have a point to make but they dont. Half of UK trade is with the EU just how are they going to replace it?

They aren't, it won't need replacing. They will just renegotiate trade deals with the EU. Again, money talks. EU businesses will still want what the UK is selling (minus some financial services) and the UK businesses will still want what the EU is selling. This nonsense that the EU will cut off its nose to spite its face is ridiculous.

Sorry but you are making too many presumptions.

1. The EU does not need the UK to trade whereas the UK needs the EU. 8% EU trade to the UK and 48% UK trade to the EU.
2. There wont be a trade deal. The EU will only accept a trade deal based on the four freedoms and the UK will never accept that.
3. The EU will not cut off its nose to spite its face. It has principles and due to its economic clout it enforces them as Switzerland found out.
4. That the EU and the UK are equal in these negotiations. This is far from the truth as you can get. The EU is playing the tune and the UK has to dance to it.

Europe made that mistake before. We still have a few Spitfires and Wellingtons. Time to dust em off.

[Scot Dutchy]

8% is nothing. It is not 10%. It includes the financial services that the UK does for the EU just now. This is being moved to the EU. After that there is little trade. We lost more with the Russian boycotts and still managed to find new markets.
You dont seem to understand the situation. For the EU Brexit is on the back burner. It is not important. The EU worries about its citizens but is taking steps as so is almost a third of EU citizens in the UK. The UK will get zilch. Why cant you see that. It has been a tantrum child since it joined. It has been the pain in the arse for years do you really think the EU will not take this opportunity to cut it down to its proper size. Do you think the UK is liked in the EU? It is a large country but it is economically and financially fucked and would become a mill stone round the EU's neck. It is arrogant with a massive ego thinking it is still a world power which is the last thing it is. It expected the EU to just accept its demands well sorry it is being taught a stiff lesson in diplomacy.

[mistermack]

8% is nothing. It is not 10%. It includes the financial services that the UK does for the EU just now. This is being moved to the EU. After that there is little trade. We lost more with the Russian boycotts and still managed to find new markets.
You dont seem to understand the situation. For the EU Brexit is on the back burner. It is not important. The EU worries about its citizens but is taking steps as so is almost a third of EU citizens in the UK. The UK will get zilch. Why cant you see that. It has been a tantrum child since it joined. It has been the pain in the arse for years do you really think the EU will not take this opportunity to cut it down to its proper size. Do you think the UK is liked in the EU? It is a large country but it is economically and financially fucked and would become a mill stone round the EU's neck. It is arrogant with a massive ego thinking it is still a world power which is the last thing it is. It expected the EU to just accept its demands well sorry it is being taught a stiff lesson in diplomacy.

We saved you wankers from Hitler didn't we.
Perhaps it's a lesson in who is worth being friends with.
As I said before, we are far better off out of a clique who want to keep members in with threats.
What you have to remember is that these threats are not directed at the UK. They are to intimidate you.

And just like with Hitler, little Holland is keen to roll over and lick the Germans' boots.

[Scot Dutchy]

Oh fuck off with your war time crap and save it for the old gits. You never saved anyone. If it was not for American, Soviet, Empire and ex-pat troops from Europe including Poles who proved to be fantastic pilots you would be speaking German today.

[Svartalf]

I don't think the EU buys much UK beer.

You are correct. There is very little demand for dishwater and horse's piss.

Actually, Paris has any number of Scottish pubs that use UK beers, until Scotland gets out of the UK.

[Scot Dutchy]

Here foreign pubs (ie Irish and English. We have no Scottish pubs) are losing popularity especially the English ones.

[Hermit]

We saved you wankers from Hitler

From a military point of view the Red Army did most of the saving. From a financial point of view the US Lend-Lease programs were the most important. I'm not saying Great Britain did not contribute to saving The Netherlands. Of the four powers that finished up occupying Germany it certainly did more than France.

[pErvinalia]

8% is nothing.

8% is 8%, which is about 2 trillion PPP dollars. Only you could think 2 trillion is "nothing".

The UK will get zilch. Why cant you see that.

Because it's absolute nonsense that can't be backed by any reasoning at all. Check back in here in two years time. I'll bet my left testicle you are wrong.

Do you think the UK is liked in the EU? It is a large country but it is economically and financially fucked and would become a mill stone round the EU's neck.

Sounds like you are talking about the PIGS..

It is arrogant with a massive ego thinking it is still a world power which is the last thing it is. It expected the EU to just accept its demands well sorry it is being taught a stiff lesson in diplomacy.

You seem to be clueless as to how the world actually works. It runs on money, not ego. Money will be the major determinant of what happens in the negotiations.

[mistermack]

We saved you wankers from Hitler

From a military point of view the Red Army did most of the saving. From a financial point of view the US Lend-Lease programs were the most important. I'm not saying Great Britain did not contribute to saving The Netherlands. Of the four powers that finished up occupying Germany it certainly did more than France.

It's a fact that none of it would have happened without Britain.
If the Brits had kissed HItler's arse like the Dutch, he would have got the lot.

[Hermit]

We saved you wankers from Hitler

From a military point of view the Red Army did most of the saving. From a financial point of view the US Lend-Lease programs were the most important. I'm not saying Great Britain did not contribute to saving The Netherlands. Of the four powers that finished up occupying Germany it certainly did more than France.

It's a fact that none of it would have happened without Britain.
If the Brits had kissed HItler's arse like the Dutch, he would have got the lot.

You display your wilful ignorance of facts once again. The Dutch defence force consisted of

9 divisions
700 guns
1 tank
5 tankettes
32 armoured cars
145 aircraft
Total: 280,000 men

Hitler attacked the country with

22 divisions
1378 guns
759 tanks
830 aircraft
6 armoured trains
Total: 750,000 men

It's a wonder the Dutch managed to resist the invasion for as long as they did.

Even if it were true that the Dutch kissed Hitler's arse, it remains a fact that Soviet lives and US money did more to save the Dutch than everything the Great Britain did.

[pErvinalia]

Hitler didn't have as many clogs as the Dutch, though!

[Hermit]

Hitler didn't have as many clogs as the Dutch, though!

True. And the Dutch had more dykes!

[Scot Dutchy]

The British did not liberate this country. It was Canadians, Polish and the Dutch themselves that did it. The so called British army for what is was worth was farting through Northern France where it hardly met any opposition.

[Scot Dutchy]

You seem to be clueless as to how the world actually works. It runs on money, not ego. Money will be the major determinant of what happens in the negotiations.

What money? The UK wont have any well even now it is up to its eyes in debt. You seem to be clueless of how the EU works. It is based on strong principles not like Australia that would sell the family silver to the Chinese. Those principles Switzerland experienced when it had to take the four freedoms in its agreement with the EU. The biggest trade the UK has with the EU is financial services which are moving here and what's left is not worth talking about.

[pErvinalia]

It's pointless discussing anything with you. You can't present a cogent argument, nor follow one.