The US Healthcare Mass Debate

[Scot Dutchy]

I am really so happy I dont live in America. With my all my present complaints I would have ended my life a long time ago.

[Forty Two]

What of 2018? We are still here, waiting, congress goes to summer vacation and insurance companies are not required to offer any private plans, only corporate

While the ACA exchanges will likely be available in 2018, consumer choice may be severely restricted. Facing large financial losses, many insurers like Aetna, UnitedHealthcare, and Humana have started removing their plans from exchanges which has created a coverage vacuum where many people will have fewer, or no options for ACA compliant plans.

In the wake of uncertainty regarding Obamacare, many consumers have decided to pursue alternatives such as short-term health insurance, major medical insurance in case of accident or illness, though it does not cover pre-existing conditions. Agilehealthinsurance.com is a leader in short-term health insurance, and carries great low-cost options. Short-term health insurance has no open enrollment period and can be purchased at any point.

Googling gave that ad

Consumer choice is already severely restricted. Aetna was removing their plans from the exchange before the election, and same with UHC and Humana. They're doing so because of Obamacare. It's Obamacare that is eliminating choice and driving insurance firms out of the market.

[Forty Two]

Senate rushing to propose their own crappy health care plan:
http://thehill.com/homenews/334862-sena ... hcare-vote

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/ov ... -senate-on

How dare the Republicans replace a crappy health care plan with a crappy health care plan.

[Tero]

What of 2018? We are still here, waiting, congress goes to summer vacation and insurance companies are not required to offer any private plans, only corporate

While the ACA exchanges will likely be available in 2018, consumer choice may be severely restricted. Facing large financial losses, many insurers like Aetna, UnitedHealthcare, and Humana have started removing their plans from exchanges which has created a coverage vacuum where many people will have fewer, or no options for ACA compliant plans.

In the wake of uncertainty regarding Obamacare, many consumers have decided to pursue alternatives such as short-term health insurance, major medical insurance in case of accident or illness, though it does not cover pre-existing conditions. Agilehealthinsurance.com is a leader in short-term health insurance, and carries great low-cost options. Short-term health insurance has no open enrollment period and can be purchased at any point.

Googling gave that ad

Consumer choice is already severely restricted. Aetna was removing their plans from the exchange before the election, and same with UHC and Humana. They're doing so because of Obamacare. It's Obamacare that is eliminating choice and driving insurance firms out of the market.

No it's not. The insurance is doing fine with corporate clients, where the same deal is done: employer pays a good half. They tend to be healthier. If they are employable, they are not sick.

By allowing insurance companies a choice which patients to take we end up with the slanted system.

[Scot Dutchy]

An insurance company here cant refuse you and you must be insured.

[Tero]

Americans can't have healthcare because abortion could be lurking in there!

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/0 ... eal-239306

[Tero]

Senate not passing its fix of Trumpcare after Rand Paul found out it would actually provide some healthcare:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/0 ... olt-239364

[Forty Two]

Senate not passing its fix of Trumpcare after Rand Paul found out it would actually provide some healthcare:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/0 ... olt-239364

That isn't what the article says, and Obamcare does not provide healthcare, either.

Obamcare is a legal mandate that each individual must buy medical insurance, and that medical insurance must meet certain criteria (such that people can no longer buy inexpensive insurance).

Most people get insurance as part of their compensation at work - around 85% of Americans - same as before Obummercare (they may pay out of pocket toward their premiums, but the employer usually pays most). Of the 15% remainder who were uninsured, 50 to 60% of those are not entitled to any subsidies under O-fuck-me-in-the-ass-care, which means they just have go out and spend something like $1000 to $1500 per month out of pocket to buy health insurance, which is now saddled with deductibles in the $6000 range (which means that you don't have coverage until you pay out $6000), and then there are still copays and such. But, you get your annual visit paid for - oh, fucking joy - because lordy I'd rather pay $1500 a month to make sure that my $150 doctor appointment is paid for by someone else.

So, about 7.5% of the population gets some subsidies toward payment of outrageously expensive health insurance. It's been like pulling teeth to get those folks signed up. After 7 years of O-can't-even-get-a-kiss-on-the-cheek-while-getting-fucked-Care - they've only signed up a few million people, a good deal of which never signed up for the insurance at all or paid for it.

The article calls Rand Paul a "conservative." LOL. What a joke. Politico, man, it's not the "conservatives" that are against the OfuckmeCare "fix." It's the establishment conservatives. Trump just wants to push SOMETHING through so he can say he replaced Obammyshitcare.

It's a joke. Vote no on fix. Vote yes on repeal. Repeal that awful monstrosity known as Obama"care." Let's get rid of it. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[Forty Two]

Americans can't have healthcare because abortion could be lurking in there!

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/0 ... eal-239306

Abortion should be covered by health insurance if it is medically necessary to treat a health condition, but elective procedures of any kind should not be covered by insurance. http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/arc ... -insurance

[Tero]

Rand Paul found two Medicaid recipients in his state! Must stop Obamacare now!

[Forty Two]

Rand Paul found two Medicaid recipients in his state! Must stop Obamacare now!

Medicaid existed before Obamacare. What are you on about?

Obamacare must be stopped because it is an unsustainable, giant, cumbersome waste of fucking money, which does far more harm than good. It hurts people - it hurts hundreds of millions of people, and helps very few. It's a giant "fuck you" to the working class and the middle class.

[Tero]

Senate healthcare bill is SECRET! How is this different from Obamacare? Well, that was a tax on the rich, no surprise. This one TAKES AWAY stuff so it has to be secret.
Senate's Obamacare reform bill reportedly due to be finalized Monday night, but no plans to show public yet
GOP leaders hope to have a vote on the bill before the July 4 Senate recess.
The bill would need just 50 votes in the Senate to pass.
Democratic senators have criticized Republicans for not planning any hearings on the bill.

[Tero]

Seniors go after senators
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/33 ... ure-ad-buy

[Tero]

It will be the one and only bill of Trump 2 years power: Repeal Obamacare
This is how a party acts when it is ashamed of what it is about to do to the American people. Yet all it would take to stop this abomination is for three Republicans to stand up to their party’s leaders and say, “No — I won’t do this to my constituents.” With only a 52-48 majority in the Senate, that would kill the bill. But right now, it’s looking as though this Coward Caucus is going to be unable to muster the necessary courage.
Washington Post

[Tero]

Business papers report drop in Obamacare enrollment. Or people dropping out in the middle of the year. This is not surprising as the Trump people are determined to repeal it. The offerings for 2018 will be few. The insurance companies offer "cheap" (nearly useless) plans that do not cover any pre-existing conditions:

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Since the government is not involved, the success or failure of insurance plans in the Trump era will not be properly tracked. The performance and enrollment will not make any news. It's just like insurance before Obamacare. My mom had cancer in 1989 and her insurance jumped to over 1000 a month of then dollars. She moved to Finland.

the links all jump to a site for your state
https://www.uhone.com/insurance/short-term