We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

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Re: We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri May 26, 2017 9:48 am

Entirely agree MM. NATO has no place anymore. It is outdated and just kept alive by American hawks and arms manufacturers. Does it really think that Russia is going to attack?
Russia would be glad as the rest of Europe to stop this perpetual playing. Of course peace is something that America does not want. It is still trying to light fires. Look at North Korea.
Aggression is second nature to Americans. Why do they have so many guns? Peaceful coexistence is for left wing nutters. We have to thank America for ISIS like most Middle East terrorist groups paid for by America's big friend Saudi Arabia.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri May 26, 2017 12:45 pm

That's just what Putin wants you to think! :mrgreen:
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri May 26, 2017 12:46 pm

mistermack wrote:What the fuck is Montenegro doing in NATO ?
Getting in Trump's way by the looks of it. :hehe:
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Re: We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

Post by Forty Two » Fri May 26, 2017 1:32 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:Entirely agree MM. NATO has no place anymore. It is outdated and just kept alive by American hawks and arms manufacturers.
Always comes down to the United States' fault... the other nations are so feeble and anemic that they are essentially forced to remain members of an alliance which only serves the interests of certain factions within one of its members. Of course, when Trump called it obsolete, the very idea was laughed at and reported as dangerous, and something that "rattled" NATO members...now that he no longer thinks it's obsolete, well, you can guess how the reporting changes.
Scot Dutchy wrote: Does it really think that Russia is going to attack?
I think without an alliance, certain countries would be at risk. Attacks are not unheard of imaginings that could never happen in Europe. Europe is one of the most war-prone areas on the globe. There were major wars in Europe even through the 1990s, and the Soviet Union invaded countries in Europe as late as 1968 when 250,000 troops from the Soviet Union, Poland, Bulgaria and Hungary all invaded Czechosolvakia, and there were divisions of East Germans ready to cross the border, but they were put on hold only by direct orders from Moscow. Russia had no problem dipping its toes into Georgia and South Ossetia recently. So, I think the notion that Russia would never invade, say, Estonia or Latvia, would be, perhaps, rather a risky proposition.
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Russia would be glad as the rest of Europe to stop this perpetual playing. Of course peace is something that America does not want.
Russia wants peace, but the United States doesn't. Got it.
Scot Dutchy wrote: It is still trying to light fires. Look at North Korea.
Indeed, look at it. You're suggesting that North Korea is a problem because the United States lights fires? How about backing that up with some argument?
Scot Dutchy wrote: Aggression is second nature to Americans. Why do they have so many guns? Peaceful coexistence is for left wing nutters. We have to thank America for ISIS like most Middle East terrorist groups paid for by America's big friend Saudi Arabia.
America is responsible for most middle east terrorist groups?

"America's big friend Saudi Arabia?" Saudi Arabia is a member of the G-20, and is an ally of France (http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/mi ... -deal.html and http://en.rfi.fr/economy/20151013-franc ... lion-euros), the Netherlands (http://www.arabnews.com/node/1035371/saudi-arabia), and Germany (longstanding "special" and "strong" relationship http://www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/news/874441 -- "steadfast allies since 1929). Overall, The Gulf Cooperation Council (Saudi Arabia, Oman, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE) is currently the EU’s fourth largest export market and the EU is the GCC’s largest trading partner. https://eeas.europa.eu/headquarters/hea ... 20the%20EU

Not sure where you get the idea that Saudi Arabia is somehow specially an American "friend." Probably it's from not paying attention to what European countries actually do in the world.
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Re: We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri May 26, 2017 1:57 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:That's just what Putin wants you to think! :mrgreen:
And the tanks will roll :funny:
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri May 26, 2017 2:07 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda# ... t_1985.png

The CIA were not involved? Saudi Arabia is not America's friend? Where do you live? Tell the Bush's that.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Fri May 26, 2017 3:14 pm

Okay guy...
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Post by mistermack » Fri May 26, 2017 3:49 pm

It should be pointed out that Russia recently DE-invaded about 150 million people. Including Estonia and Latvia.

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Re: We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

Post by Hermit » Fri May 26, 2017 5:11 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Entirely agree MM. NATO has no place anymore. It is outdated and just kept alive by American hawks and arms manufacturers.
Always comes down to the United States' fault
You're slipping.

It's the Democrats' fault, ya moran!




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Post by Animavore » Fri May 26, 2017 5:20 pm

Shouldn't you be using blue text?
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Post by Hermit » Fri May 26, 2017 5:22 pm

Animavore wrote:Shouldn't you be using blue text?
Blue is not angry enough.
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Post by Forty Two » Fri May 26, 2017 5:47 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda# ... t_1985.png

The CIA were not involved? Saudi Arabia is not America's friend? Where do you live? Tell the Bush's that.
Saudi Arabia is no more America's friend than Europe's friend.
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Post by Forty Two » Fri May 26, 2017 5:50 pm

Hermit wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Entirely agree MM. NATO has no place anymore. It is outdated and just kept alive by American hawks and arms manufacturers.
Always comes down to the United States' fault
You're slipping.

It's the Democrats' fault, ya moran!




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Post by Hermit » Fri May 26, 2017 6:08 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Entirely agree MM. NATO has no place anymore. It is outdated and just kept alive by American hawks and arms manufacturers.
Always comes down to the United States' fault
You're slipping.

It's the Democrats' fault, ya moran!




Be better if someone could get the red text to flash on and off. Brian?
Rarely are the Democrats blamed in media sources.
So you say, and that's where you normally try to restore "balance", but not this time. Hence my comment "You're slipping."
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Post by Forty Two » Fri May 26, 2017 6:38 pm

I doubt there are many European sources that blame "Democrats" for goings-on. Frankly, for the 8 Obama years, the typical response from Europeans amounted to orgasming in their own pants about the wonderful, Nobel Prize winning, President.
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