We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

[Hermit]

Continued from here: We Need To Talk About Donald

Donald Trump claims phone spat with Australia's Malcolm Turnbull was 'fake news'

For two months neither Turnbull nor agent Orange denied the unpleasantness. It was also well supported by sources close by. All of a sudden it never happened. The two boys were merely being "young at heart".

[Brian Peacock]

Aye...

At Thursday night’s black-tie dinner for 700 guests convened by the American Australian Association, Trump denied that the earlier call had gone sour. “It got a little bit testy, a little bit testy,” he conceded, before denouncing press reports about the call as “fake news”.

“They said we had a rough call. We really didn’t, did we?” he asked Turnbull. “We actually had a very nice call, right? Now the record is straight.”...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... o-new-york

Went all the way to New York and didn't even pop in ti see the missus and nipper.

[Animavore]

Trump signs a religious liberties order which will allow for bigotry and discrimination in work places. It's the type of thing no atheist Trump supporter should excuse, but given they've made excuses for everything this piece of shit has done so far, I'm expecting them to just dig their heels in even further. Taking personal resposibility is asking too much

[Scot Dutchy]

Yep everyone will have to swear on the bible every morning.

[Animavore]

If true, they really are the scrapings off a shoe absolutely deserving of being first against the wall when the revolution happens.

As legislation aimed at repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act narrowly passed through the House on Thursday, House Republicans were reportedly already busy organizing a party to toast themselves. As an amended version of the American Health Care Act passed the House in a narrow 217-213 vote, multiple journalists reported seeing cases of beer being rolled into the U.S. Capitol. Although no fete has been confirmed, many on social media were angered at the idea of House Republicans throwing a party to celebrate the AHCA, a bill that stands to dramatically raise the cost of insurance for those with preexisting conditions while leaving an estimated 24 million people without health care.

https://www.bustle.com/p/the-gop-is-rep ... ign=bustle

[Scot Dutchy]

Look in the Trumpcare thread Ani. Even the repug senators are not happy. This one is not going anywhere.

[pErvinalia]

Continued from here: We Need To Talk About Donald

Donald Trump claims phone spat with Australia's Malcolm Turnbull was 'fake news'

For two months neither Turnbull nor agent Orange denied the unpleasantness. It was also well supported by sources close by. All of a sudden it never happened. The two boys were merely being "young at heart".

Apparently Turnbull congratulated him on destroying the already pathetic health care system. And then Trump praised us for our free health care system.

[mistermack]

I would walk away if I was in his shoes.
Or demand REAL evidence of MMGW, not just the failed models that we've been served up....

What would you consider REAL evidence, and what do you think is UNREAL about the current datasets and models?

The change in the makeup of the "climate science" establishment is so endemic now, that it will take years to reverse it to something like a scientific unbiased community.

Right now, everyone is an activist, not a scientist. It's accepted now that you will get no criticism for fiddling figures by changing baselines and starting points etc. Indeed, you will get slaughtered now if you DON'T slant every bit of work towards the accepted mantra.

If a model doesn't match the message, these days you have to change the model, and get back on message.

So what I would consider REAL evidence, is a reversal from activist to scientist in the climate science ranks. I would like to see plenty of sceptical criticism of each new claim.
Because it's all fuzzy stuff, but it's all being spun one way.

In short, you can't trust the people any more. And it will take years to reverse.

[Animavore]

The denialists' position is getting so tenuous now all they can do is fling vague accusations in every direction in an incoherent way.

[rainbow]

Right now, everyone is an activist, not a scientist.

Do you have any evidence to support this?

[Hermit]

It's accepted now that you will get no criticism for fiddling figures by changing baselines and starting points etc.

Global warming "sceptics" do not change baselines and starting points, of course. Not even when they pick the temperature data between 1998 and 2015 as proof that global warming isn't happening at all.

[mistermack]

Getting back to Donald Trump, the subject of the thread, I would like to see him back up his electoral statements by slashing the budgets for the climate change industry.
Pay them on results. Like sea level rises or warmer winters.

The tide rushes up the Severn, two miles from where I live, twice a day. There is no sign whatsoever that it rises any more, or reaches any further.
And the winters haven't changed in the last 20 years. Nor the summers.

Give us what we were promised, and we might think they are worth paying.

[Animavore]

Getting back to Donald Trump, the subject of the thread, I would like to see him back up his electoral statements by slashing the budgets for the climate change industry.Pay them on results. Like sea level rises or warmer winters.

Yes. What a brilliant idea! Make ourselves blind to a changing climate by taking away our observation equipment. Brilliant!

Let's also remove satellites which target missiles, and deny the WHO access to data which keeps an eye on epidemic spread.

The tide rushes up the Severn, two miles from where I live, twice a day. There is no sign whatsoever that it rises any more, or reaches any further. And the winters haven't changed in the last 20 years. Nor the summers.

Oh so you determine climate change by looking out your window? What a great scientist you are.

Give us what we were promised, and we might think they are worth paying.

What were you promised?

[Hermit]

The tide rushes up the Severn, two miles from where I live, twice a day. There is no sign whatsoever that it rises any more, or reaches any further.

Your eyeometer is better than the tide gauges all over the world?

And the winters haven't changed in the last 20 years. Nor the summers.

20 years now. Wowee.

[mistermack]

Just for balance, here is the wikipedia graph for sea levels since the current ice age entered the present inter-glacial stage.



Note that even after melting levelled off, seven thousand years ago, the level has continued to rise at a steady but very gradual rate, since the late stone age, through the bronze age and iron age, and into the industrial age till today. Note that sea level is in METRES on the graph.

CO2 levels only started to rise significantly around 1950.