That was my interpretation of what he wrote, too. Following the posting of the picture, pErvin wrote: "And doesn't that photo of Trump and Miss Universe say it all?Hermit wrote:Let's do this again: You claimed that "ALL I've said is that that particular image gives that appearance." No, you have not. You said "She is repulsed by him." No word even remotely indicating any qualification like, say, "She appears to be repulsed by him" or "She is probably repulsed by him" were posted by you in the entire thread. But thank you for once again demonstrating your fabled, oft-employed ability to acknowledge that you were obviously and manifestly mistaken.pErvin wrote:"what is wrong with it". Yes, it, the image. The image gives the appearance of her being repulsed. That says nothing at all about whether she is objectively repulsed. FFS, your English skills have been severely degrading over the last few months.Hermit wrote:You definitely have not. In none of your posts concerning the photo did you use any qualifying words like appear*, maybe, probab*, possib*, perhaps etc. I found your answer to 42's request to describe what you think is wrong with it. Your answer was: "The look in her face and she is pulling away from him. She is repulsed by him."pErvin wrote:I've said nothing at all about her being definitively repulsed by Trump. ALL I've said is that that particular image gives that appearance.
" After Dodo asked, "says what, exactly?...." pErvin then responded "I think there's a delicious irony that you can't see what's wrong with that photo. You conservatives have so little social awareness." So, the photo of Trump and Miss Universe "says it all" and when asked what it says, exactly, the reply was that it as ironic that Dodo cannot see what's "wrong" with the photo, because dodo is conservative and conservatives, as a group, apparently have so little social awareness (implicitly compared to non-conservatives).So, first, that's a group attack on conservatives, saying they have no social awareness, and at other times pErvin has said they lack empathy. As a group. By extension, he's accusing Dodo of having little social awareness and lacking empathy, too. Second, I don't think any reader would conclude that you were just saying "this particular image gives the appearance of the woman being repulsed." You were, it seems from your verbiage, that the photo depicts something accurately about Trump's character relative to women. Third, you continually attack other people's ability to understand the English language, but describe the conservative Dodo's alleged failure to see what's wrong with that photo as "ironic."
I then asked you what you thought was wrong with the photo. And, you wrote, on April 7, 2017 at 11:04 a.m. "The look in her face and she is pulling away from him. She is repulsed by him." You refer to the look on her face, and state she is pulling away from him. And, "she is repulsed by him." That is where you appear to be making a judgment based on the picture as to her mental state.
I explained, in a couple of posts that followed, how any picture of this sort can appear to depict that someone is repulsed or that someone is leering or creepy, even when the reality is that they aren't. And, part of the interpretation of photos like this is based on our preconceived views relative to the people involved - our expectations.
Looking at the picture, it is not at all clear that "she is pulling away from him." And, the look on her face does not show someone who is "repulsed." Look at her smile, and her eyes - she looks more amused than anything else, in my view. We obviously don't know, but a revolted look would generally not involve a smiling face, and she isn't pulling away from him in the image, she is turning her shoulders so her front is turned slightly toward him. Reading repulsion or revulsion and such in to that photo would seem to require a lot of pErvin's own expectations to come into play.
Then at 3:16 pm on April 7, pErvin wrote "I just pointed out that a beautiful woman being repulsed by Trump pretty much "sums it [the whole Trump debacle] up". And then Dodo, a conservative, couldn't see the woman's revulsion. And, then pErvin wrote, "So I made the point that it's not surprising given that conservatives have an empathy deficit..." so, pErvin did not say "appears, in an out of context picture, to be depicting revulsion..." - you said "a beautiful woman being repulsed by Trump" sums it up. Nothing to do with "appearance" there. pErvin is declaring her to be repulsed by him. The picture just "says it all" about Trump - the picture is emblematic.
Back to the point of not being able to understand English, pErvin also said there that he made the point that it's "not surprising" for Dodo to not see that she was revolted, because conservatives have that empathy deficit he claims (without evidence) that they have. But, of course, pErvin did not at all say it was "not surprising." PErvin said it was ironic. Irony is when something happens the opposite way to that which you would expect, causing wry amusement. So, if it is "not surprising" for Dodo to lack empathy and fail to see the revulsion in the picture, then it most certainly is not in the least ironic. So, who understands the English language?
So, now pErvin says "I've said nothing at all about her being definitively repulsed by Trump." But this is an ambiguous statement, at least I've learned to take it as ambiguous from pErvin. First, pErvin did say "she is repulsed by him" which is a definitive statement. However, the ground he's trying to adopt here is that she is not definitively repulsed, but the picture itself so clearly depicts repulsion that people who can't see the repulsion lack the empathy and social skills he mentioned.
So, we have to ask pErvin -- does the picture definitively depict her as repulsed?
Also, when he said "she is repulsed by him" did he not mean that she is repulsed by him? (caused to feel intense distaste and aversion).
Also, would it be accurate to say that we don't know if she is repulsed, and the picture is not definitive in depicting revulsion?
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