Canadians, will you take the illegal immigrants?

[pErvinalia]

Yet when the U.S. tries to enforce our existing immigration regulations we're castigated as racist assholes. Go figure.

I think it's when your Prez calls Mexicans rapists that you (actually him) get castigated as racist assholes.

Check what Trump actually said:

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

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Oh of course. Only the immigrants are the rapist. My point still stands.

[Hermit]

Yet when the U.S. tries to enforce our existing immigration regulations we're castigated as racist assholes. Go figure.

I think it's when your Prez calls Mexicans rapists that you (actually him) get castigated as racist assholes.

Check what Trump actually said:

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

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Oh of course. Only the immigrants are the rapist. My point still stands.

If your point is that saying Mexico sends its rapists to the USA is racist it is standing like a washed up jellyfish.

[Forty Two]

Indeed, it's not racist, since most Mexicans are white. Mexico was settled by the Spanish, and they were white. Some Mexicans aren't, of course, as there are African-Mexicans, and surviving populations of native Mexicans, but for the most part the Mexican population is white hispanic.

What Trump is doing in that sentence is accusing mexico of knowingly dumping their undesirables on the US. Like the Cuban boat lift 1979 or 80, where Castro emptied his prisons. Acknowledging that is not "racist" -- it doesn't mean Cubans are rapists. It means that Cuba dumped undesirable criminals on the US. That's what Trump is suggesting here about Mexico.

[Animavore]

White Americans have no grounds to complain about immigrants. It's amazing how some of these people don't get this. Every time one of these white guys tells a brown person to go home a Native American face-palms.

[pErvinalia]

Yet when the U.S. tries to enforce our existing immigration regulations we're castigated as racist assholes. Go figure.

I think it's when your Prez calls Mexicans rapists that you (actually him) get castigated as racist assholes.

Check what Trump actually said:

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

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Oh of course. Only the immigrants are the rapist. My point still stands.

If your point is that saying Mexico sends its rapists to the USA is racist it is standing like a washed up jellyfish.

What reasonable basis would one have for suggesting that it isn't racist? The only reasoning I can think of would be if Chump claimed that all illegal immigrants from all countries trying to enter the US are rapists etc. I haven't heard him make that claim. Perhaps you have, or have some other reason why exclusively calling emigrating Mexicans rapists etc isn't likely to be racist?

[Forty Two]

White Americans have no grounds to complain about immigrants. It's amazing how some of these people don't get this. Every time one of these white guys tells a brown person to go home a Native American face-palms.

Ludicrous, especially coming from a European. By that logic, no European country has grounds to complain about immigrants.

And, dude, every country has immigration laws. The US hardly complains about immigrants. It's the ones that don't follow the law that get the complaints.

Mexicans are not "brown people." They are mostly Caucasian. And, the immigration laws apply to brown and lighter skinned people alike. There is no reason why Mexicans, for example, should have carte blanche to enter the US without complying with the law, but not Brazilians or Kenyans or Estonians or Finns.

Why should Mexicans have a right to enter? Because their Spanish ancestors colonized Mexico and slaughtered the native Mexicans, and held the land for hundreds of years as part of a European colonial empire? So, that means that their descendants have free reign to cross the US border without registering, or obtaining a proper visa? And, if we don't allow that a native American facepalms and the country is racist?

[Forty Two]

What reasonable basis would one have for suggesting that it isn't racist? The only reasoning I can think of would be if Chump claimed that all illegal immigrants from all countries trying to enter the US are rapists etc. I haven't heard him make that claim. Perhaps you have, or have some other reason why exclusively calling emigrating Mexicans rapists etc isn't likely to be racist?

One, Mexican is not a race.

Two, he was referring to Mexico sending certain persons who aren't their best. I.e., the subset of Mexicans crossing the border contains a higher proportion of rapists and other criminals - people Mexico would like to see the back of.

[Hermit]

I think it's when your Prez calls Mexicans rapists that you (actually him) get castigated as racist assholes.

Check what Trump actually said:

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

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Oh of course. Only the immigrants are the rapist. My point still stands.

If your point is that saying Mexico sends its rapists to the USA is racist it is standing like a washed up jellyfish.

What reasonable basis would one have for suggesting that it isn't racist?

Trump did not say anything resembling an assertion like "Mexican, therefore rapist." Coito was spot on with the 1980 Mariel boat lift episode. Cubans are not a race of criminals, but pretty the inhabitants of Florida might have gotten the impression that they were because Castro took the opportunity to empty the prisons and mental health hospitals. So, no, the Mexican rapists comment cannot be used to prove Trump's racism. For that I suggest you cite his comment about the Indiana born and raised U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel, who, Trump said, was unfit to hear his case because he is "of Mexican heritage".

[Hermit]

What reasonable basis would one have for suggesting that it isn't racist? The only reasoning I can think of would be if Chump claimed that all illegal immigrants from all countries trying to enter the US are rapists etc. I haven't heard him make that claim. Perhaps you have, or have some other reason why exclusively calling emigrating Mexicans rapists etc isn't likely to be racist?

One, Mexican is not a race.

Mexicans don't need to be a distinct race for people being racist in regard to them. They only need to think Mexicans are a race. To argue otherwise you'd have to deny the existence of theists.

*Points and laughs* Hahahaha, you can't be a theist, coz there is no such thing as a god.

[Forty Two]

Sure, but you'd need to show that people think Mexicans are a race. Any evidence for that?

As for the Mexican heritage of the judge, trump was pointing out that the judge might have a bias, and also mentioned the judge's relationship to La Raza or a lawyer's association affiliated with La Raza. Given trump's talk on immigration, he mentioned the potential bias of the judge. That comment was dumb, but not racist.

[Hermit]

Sure, but you'd need to show that people think Mexicans are a race. Any evidence for that?

Generally speaking, put peopole on the spot and they will reflexively deny being racist. Always. Except for the likes of Tranny, of course. In my life I have personally met maybe half a dozen individuals who have explicitly asserted that humans are divisible into genetically distinct groups and that some are superior human beings on account of their genetic heritage. Most claim to be indifferent to genetic make-up. In between are the ones that also say genes don't matter, but then remark that culture and history definitely do. Be it as it may, racism has diminished but definitely not disappeared with the fall of the Third Reich nor with the end of Apartheid nor the end of segregation in the USA.

As for the Mexican heritage of the judge, trump was pointing out that the judge might have a bias, and also mentioned the judge's relationship to La Raza or a lawyer's association affiliated with La Raza. Given trump's talk on immigration, he mentioned the potential bias of the judge. That comment was dumb, but not racist.

Now to the particular: Yes, Trump has idiotically conflated the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association of which Curiel is a member with the National Council of La Raza, of which he is not, but he has not spoken of a potential conflict of interest. He told the WSJ that the judge has an "inherent conflict of interest." Not necessarily racist, but asserting rather more than a potential conflict of interest. What is racist is Trump's doubling down on the heritage factor as a race factor during an interview. From 1:18:

Jack: If you invoke his race as a reason why he can't do his job...
Donald: (cuts in) I think that's why he's doing it. I think that's why he's doing it.
Jack: If you are saying that he can't do his job because of his race is that not the definition of racism?
Donald: No. I don't think so at all.

The first three lines make him undeniably a racist, no matter what he said before or after that.

[pErvinalia]

What reasonable basis would one have for suggesting that it isn't racist? The only reasoning I can think of would be if Chump claimed that all illegal immigrants from all countries trying to enter the US are rapists etc. I haven't heard him make that claim. Perhaps you have, or have some other reason why exclusively calling emigrating Mexicans rapists etc isn't likely to be racist?

One, Mexican is not a race.

That's not a rebuttal, because there is no such thing as race. Therefore, "race" can't be the basis of racism. It's ethnicity that drives racism.

Two, he was referring to Mexico sending certain persons who aren't their best. I.e., the subset of Mexicans crossing the border contains a higher proportion of rapists and other criminals - people Mexico would like to see the back of.

Yes, I now what he was allegedly referring to. That doesn't make it any less racist. Where's the proof that Mexico is literally sending people to the US, let alone only the rapists and crooks? There is no proof. Like most of Trump's pronouncements. That's why it is racist.

[pErvinalia]

Check what Trump actually said:

Oh of course. Only the immigrants are the rapist. My point still stands.

If your point is that saying Mexico sends its rapists to the USA is racist it is standing like a washed up jellyfish.

What reasonable basis would one have for suggesting that it isn't racist?

Trump did not say anything resembling an assertion like "Mexican, therefore rapist." Coito was spot on with the 1980 Mariel boat lift episode. Cubans are not a race of criminals, but pretty the inhabitants of Florida might have gotten the impression that they were because Castro took the opportunity to empty the prisons and mental health hospitals. So, no, the Mexican rapists comment cannot be used to prove Trump's racism. For that I suggest you cite his comment about the Indiana born and raised U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel, who, Trump said, was unfit to hear his case because he is "of Mexican heritage".

that's another good example. But as I just said to Coito, where is the evidence that Mexico is sending anyone to the US illegally, let alone a whole lot of rapist to flip burgers and clean toilets?

[JimC]

The Mexican government not sending anyone, but they're not doing much to stop it - after all, it does help the Mexican economy, such as it is...

[Hermit]

But as I just said to Coito, where is the evidence that Mexico is sending anyone to the US illegally, let alone a whole lot of rapist to flip burgers and clean toilets?

There is none. So ...?