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Sure, Syria is the exception due to the special issues with that country. It's a war zone, rife with ISIS. The other 6 countries have had a temporary suspension.
It's not about "child refugees" - it's about "refugees" which come together. Are you suggesting that only children were being admitted?
I don't have any problem with any country suspending the refugee program. Pressure should be brought to bear for other Muslim countries to take in more refugees. Some take zero. Also, countries like Japan take zero, citing demographic issues. I see no reason why the US has a greater moral or legal obligation to take refugees than any other country. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain have taken a grand total of zero. They can certainly handle a large chunk, but they have argued that accepting large numbers of Syrians is a threat to their safety, as terrorists could be hiding within an influx of people. And, even many European countries don't want them - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/eur ... be51bc8824
And, of course, suspending visas is a big deal now, because Trump is President. How much furor was there when Obama, in 2011, suspended for six months the refugee program for refugees from Iraq? And, the reason for the suspension was risk of terrorist migration. Now it's a major human rights catastrophe, right?
It's not about "child refugees" - it's about "refugees" which come together. Are you suggesting that only children were being admitted?
I don't have any problem with any country suspending the refugee program. Pressure should be brought to bear for other Muslim countries to take in more refugees. Some take zero. Also, countries like Japan take zero, citing demographic issues. I see no reason why the US has a greater moral or legal obligation to take refugees than any other country. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain have taken a grand total of zero. They can certainly handle a large chunk, but they have argued that accepting large numbers of Syrians is a threat to their safety, as terrorists could be hiding within an influx of people. And, even many European countries don't want them - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/eur ... be51bc8824
And, of course, suspending visas is a big deal now, because Trump is President. How much furor was there when Obama, in 2011, suspended for six months the refugee program for refugees from Iraq? And, the reason for the suspension was risk of terrorist migration. Now it's a major human rights catastrophe, right?
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Vox on Trump vs Obama
http://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/31/1444 ... e-ban-2011
Trump is a terrible president. Not everything has to be approached with lets shake this up and dump it upside down.
http://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/31/1444 ... e-ban-2011
Trump is a terrible president. Not everything has to be approached with lets shake this up and dump it upside down.
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Working hard to avoid the point there. I'm asking what threat child refugees pose to the American people such that excluding them is warranted.Forty Two wrote:Sure, Syria is the exception due to the special issues with that country. It's a war zone, rife with ISIS. The other 6 countries have had a temporary suspension.
It's not about "child refugees" - it's about "refugees" which come together. Are you suggesting that only children were being admitted?
I don't have any problem with any country suspending the refugee program. Pressure should be brought to bear for other Muslim countries to take in more refugees. Some take zero. Also, countries like Japan take zero, citing demographic issues. I see no reason why the US has a greater moral or legal obligation to take refugees than any other country. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain have taken a grand total of zero. They can certainly handle a large chunk, but they have argued that accepting large numbers of Syrians is a threat to their safety, as terrorists could be hiding within an influx of people. And, even many European countries don't want them - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/eur ... be51bc8824
And, of course, suspending visas is a big deal now, because Trump is President. How much furor was there when Obama, in 2011, suspended for six months the refugee program for refugees from Iraq? And, the reason for the suspension was risk of terrorist migration. Now it's a major human rights catastrophe, right?
This question is entirely about children displaced by war and what the US can and should do to help.
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Libertarianism: The belief that out of all the terrible things governments can do, helping people is the absolute worst.
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The idea that "Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain have taken [no] Syrian refugees" is wrong. This is often claimed because this is what the UN Refugee statistics say. However, these nations are no party to the UN Refugee treaty and the refugees they accept are therefore not counted by the UN. See for example http://europe.newsweek.com/gulf-states- ... ees-401131
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Pathetic dishonesty from the Post.Forty Two wrote:The good thing about having a Republican President is that SNL can joke about the President again. Over the last 8 years, SNL hasn't been willing to caricature or joke much about Obama - http://nypost.com/2014/08/24/why-comedi ... ent-obama/
Good thing Trump and Spicer are female minorities, because if they were white males they'd never be treated the way they're being treated....
SNL Barack Obama Sketches [Fred Armisen]
SNL Barack Obama sketches [Jay Pharoah]
Trump is an ass-clown and much of his administration is composed of people who're already practically caricatures of the worst aspects of political life. It's a target-rich environment. However, it's a blatant lie to say that SNL didn't poke fun at Obama on a regular basis.
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Trump is a comedic goldmine. His failing administration is a shambles. They don't even know how to properly use the lights in the White House.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/u ... gle.com%2F

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/u ... gle.com%2F

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Spicer triggered by SNL mocking his boss.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/06/media/s ... index.html
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/06/media/s ... index.html
Libertarianism: The belief that out of all the terrible things governments can do, helping people is the absolute worst.
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Libertarianism: The belief that out of all the terrible things governments can do, helping people is the absolute worst.
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Libertarianism: The belief that out of all the terrible things governments can do, helping people is the absolute worst.
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Dems holding a 24 hour session to try get one more Republican to vote against her.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/s ... devos-vote
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/s ... devos-vote
Libertarianism: The belief that out of all the terrible things governments can do, helping people is the absolute worst.
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Trump is getting worse. Just as you get used to his bullshitting, he raises it to another level.
I used to watch, amused, but today, I had to look away. I think he's gradually going mad.
He talks like he's still on the game show, and everyone has to think he's great, because he's paying them.
I'm beginning to get a bit worried about him now. During the election, he wasn't quite so bad, because he didn't think he'd win. Now it's all going to his already massive head.
I used to watch, amused, but today, I had to look away. I think he's gradually going mad.
He talks like he's still on the game show, and everyone has to think he's great, because he's paying them.
I'm beginning to get a bit worried about him now. During the election, he wasn't quite so bad, because he didn't think he'd win. Now it's all going to his already massive head.
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NYT not allowed to print alt facts about Trump
http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... an-apology
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Homeland Security reports 0 terrorists detained from extreme vetting (on arrival) after Trump ban lifted
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/06/politics/ ... index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/06/politics/ ... index.html
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Trump banned Christians, but they got in
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/06/us/syrian ... index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/06/us/syrian ... index.html
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