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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Hermit » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:04 am

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Hermit wrote:I'd call his speaking style the verbal equivalent of stream-of-consciousness or interior monologue. Rather revealing way to communicate, especially for shrinks.

I'm a bit worried about myself for easily apprehending a coherent thread in what Trump said in the above excerpt. It is not difficult to "translate" it into something that sounds quite conventional and coherent by stripping the idiosyncrasies out, though it'll still be somewhat meandering in content.
We are so conditioned to expect coherence from a reputedly sane person's speech that we, somewhat charitably perhaps, compile a kind of meaning from the scattered shards of his utterances that was neither intended or there to begin with. Perhaps this is like Trump's superpower - forcing others to generate meaning on his behalf?
Apprehending coherence implies neither approbation nor disapproval.

Speaking for myself, the coherency in Trump's extemporisations is similar to the logic underlying the sequence of thoughts and actions of a seriously neurotic and psychotic individual. The behaviour of people we colloquially label as insane is no more random than the behaviour of people who speak and act more conventionally.

If you keep in mind that Trump is, above else, narcissistic and that he very likely regards The Art of the Deal as the most convincing proof of his genius, then every seemingly disconnected sentence in the excerpt you quoted falls into a logically coherent whole.

That includes the reference to prisoners if I am correct in assuming he is alluding to the prisoners' dilemma, but not getting the details right. He never cared about getting the details right. I bet that if you asked him: "Why did you say 15,000 people attended your rally when everybody knows the stadium can accommodate a maximum of 10,000?" he'll wave your question away as an utter irrelevance with: "Why do you keep bringing up what I actually say, when you bloody well know what I mean." Like Humpty Dumpty, Trump makes a word do a lot of work, and it turned out to be a winning strategy in this election.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:42 am

It also makes it very difficult to pin him down in or on any detail, and equally difficult to expose his assertions to rational challenges as the substrate on which they are built has to be constructed entirely by the challenger. It's as if he's not present when he talks.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by DRSB » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:03 am

Well, well!
FBI Director James B. Comey and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. are in agreement with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the White House, officials disclosed Friday, as President Obama issued a public warning to Moscow that it could face retaliation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... bfc020f758

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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by JimC » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:50 am

Any retaliatory measures by Obama will be cancelled by Trump; Russia can smile smugly at the success of its strategy...
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by DRSB » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:59 am

I wonder if this intervention, whatever it was, as we don't know the details, obviously, would have been as successful if Hillary had not rigged the nomination from Bernie!

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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Hermit » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:03 am

Had Bernie won the nomination, Trump would have not only won the presidency, but the popular vote as well, without this intervention, whatever it was.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by JimC » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:54 am

Hermit wrote:Had Bernie won the nomination, Trump would have not only won the presidency, but the popular vote as well, without this intervention, whatever it was.
I'm not so sure about that. A lot of the popular vote was an anti-Clinton vote, IMO, which would not be the case with Bernie...

However, no way to prove it either way now...
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:04 am

DRSB wrote:Well, well!
FBI Director James B. Comey and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. are in agreement with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the White House, officials disclosed Friday, as President Obama issued a public warning to Moscow that it could face retaliation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... bfc020f758
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:05 am

Hermit wrote:Had Bernie won the nomination, Trump would have not only won the presidency, but the popular vote as well, without this intervention, whatever it was.
How do figure that? All polls showed Bernie trouncing Trump in head to head.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Svartalf » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:19 am

pErvin wrote:
DRSB wrote:Well, well!
FBI Director James B. Comey and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. are in agreement with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the White House, officials disclosed Friday, as President Obama issued a public warning to Moscow that it could face retaliation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... bfc020f758
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Hermit » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:38 am

pErvin wrote:
Hermit wrote:Had Bernie won the nomination, Trump would have not only won the presidency, but the popular vote as well, without this intervention, whatever it was.
How do figure that? All polls showed Bernie trouncing Trump in head to head.
All polls? In your dreams.

After the primaries were over the polls also had Clinton trouncing Trump head to head. on the 14th of August 538 gave her a 90% chance of winning the electoral college and a 9 percentage point lead in the popular vote.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:10 pm

DRSB wrote:Well, well!
FBI Director James B. Comey and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. are in agreement with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the White House, officials disclosed Friday, as President Obama issued a public warning to Moscow that it could face retaliation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... bfc020f758
I can't see the security services letting this lie even if Trump doesn't want to pursue it publicly.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:28 pm

Hermit wrote:
pErvin wrote:
Hermit wrote:Had Bernie won the nomination, Trump would have not only won the presidency, but the popular vote as well, without this intervention, whatever it was.
How do figure that? All polls showed Bernie trouncing Trump in head to head.
All polls? In your dreams.

After the primaries were over the polls also had Clinton trouncing Trump head to head. on the 14th of August 538 gave her a 90% chance of winning the electoral college and a 9 percentage point lead in the popular vote.
Again, how do you figure Trump beats Bernie?
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:52 pm

It's irrelevant now.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Tero » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:53 pm

Fact! All pro wrestling fans voted for Trump!
Donald Trump admits his supporters were 'violent' and 'crazy'
But Trump's attempt at resolve did not appear to resonate all that well with the thousands of people in attendance in Orlando.
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