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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Jason » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:36 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
Śiva wrote:It appears siccing his mob on trade union leaders is at the front of his new economic policy: http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/ ... spartanntp

Smash those unions, bring down those wages and benefits - they're unamerican!
It is!
Within a year every union leader will be replaced with a pro trump union leader. And they'll be well paid because trump will enact tariffs to ensure they are. The burger flippers of tomorrow will be college educated social justice warriors lol
When Trump is finished with the unions assembly HVAC units for Carrier will have the same benefits and hourly wage as flipping burgers anyway. The only way to 'make America great again' for industry is to match India and China's labour costs.

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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Tyrannical » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:38 pm

Śiva wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:What's going to happen if the US writes off Chinese debt?
:coffeespray:

You can't just "write off" US bonds - they're like the holy grail of the global economy and the reason the US holds the position it does as economic leader of the world.
Ha ha. Trump recognizes Taiwan. China makes dumb threat, China out trillions at the stroke of a pen. Europe smells easy money and does the same thing. Even small countries like Canada and Australia would make a few hundred billions by seizing Chinese assets.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Jason » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:41 pm

No. Even a declaration of war with China wouldn't be justify nullifying the bonds they hold. You'd destroy the security those bonds represent and why they're so valued in the first place. No one would want to hold your debt after a stunt like that.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Jason » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:42 pm

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Tyrannical wrote:
Śiva wrote:It appears siccing his mob on trade union leaders is at the front of his new economic policy: http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/ ... spartanntp

Smash those unions, bring down those wages and benefits - they're unamerican!
It is!
Within a year every union leader will be replaced with a pro trump union leader. And they'll be well paid because trump will enact tariffs to ensure they are. The burger flippers of tomorrow will be college educated social justice warriors lol
When Trump is finished with the unions assembly HVAC units for Carrier will have the same benefits and hourly wage as flipping burgers anyway. The only way to 'make America great again' for industry is to match India and China's labour costs.
Oh, and eliminate the regulation of the environmental impact of industry in America.

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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:52 pm

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Śiva wrote: And doesn't a higher interest rate reduce the 'debt ceiling' the US operates under which could cripple or outright collapse the US economy as the interest on your debt alone meets or exceeds your tax revenues.
That's a huge problem with running up debt, which the Obama Admnistration did by getting us up over $20 trillion. But that has nothing to do with China or Japan selling their US Treasuries. It doesn't matter to us who holds the bonds. What matters is if nobody was willing to buy any new bonds.
Obama increased the national debt by 68%. G.W. Bush increased it by 101%. Trump's plan to cut taxes and increase military spending will put him in the same ball park.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Jason » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:54 pm

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Forty Two wrote:It's not about moving factories from China to the US. It's about building business and industry here. We don't have to manufacture party hats and plastic whistles here in the US to have a strong manufacturing sector.
Well you can try to bully yet more nations into buying that fiasco of a warplane the F-35.. but maybe Trump will cancel that as well. What areas of manufacturing, other than aerospace, do you imagine you can build up and be competitive with the rest of the world? Automobile manufacturing perhaps?
LOL - nobody was forced to buy the plane. I never liked the F-35, though. I was a fan of the F-22, but there were political reasons the F-35 won out. Those airplanes don't matter. Next generation fighters will have no pilots.

Yes, definitely auto manufacturing. Ford, GM and Chrysler are putting out excellent vehicles now. Oil, natural gas, coal, nuclear power plants, pharmaceuticals, medical devices, you name it -- auto manufacturing should be going full speed ahead on self-driving vehicles. The US could lead the world in robotic automobiles.
Auto manufacturing is a domestic industry though.

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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:04 pm

42 wrote:robotic automobiles
:funny: Do you really think they are the answer? Another short sighted car maniac.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Jason » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:15 pm

Until computers are able to adapt instantly to new and unexpected situations I will not be entrusting my life to one by allowing it to drive my car. Statistically safer driving assumes a benefit only if my own driving falls below the median of other human drivers on the road, which it doesn't, and is of no benefit at all if I have to be constantly ready to assume control in the instant anything occurs which falls outside the scope of the computer's program occurs.

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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:26 pm

Infrastructure solutions lie elsewhere and not in vehicles as robotic cars and trucks. Cars and trucks are out of date. Their time is over. The future of transportation lies in completely new concepts.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Tero » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:34 pm

Somebody gave Trump Reagan's play book:
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/polit ... SKBN13X19W

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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Tero » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:43 pm

National baby tweeting from his toilet seat:

We saw this again and again during the campaign: Trump would get criticized by someone like Khizr Khan or Alicia Machado, and instead of just brushing it off like someone with a modicum of sense or class would do, he’d get into an extended battle with them. He’s so petty and insecure that he simply can’t help himself, even when it’s doing him political damage. And now that he’s about to become president, nothing has changed.

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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:50 pm

Frightning.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:15 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
42 wrote:robotic automobiles
:funny: Do you really think they are the answer? Another short sighted car maniac.
I can't wait for driverless cars. Imagine being able to sleep all the way up the motorway without those bloody rumble strips waking you up every half a mile.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:18 pm

Tero wrote:National baby tweeting from his toilet seat:

We saw this again and again during the campaign: Trump would get criticized by someone like Khizr Khan or Alicia Machado, and instead of just brushing it off like someone with a modicum of sense or class would do, he’d get into an extended battle with them. He’s so petty and insecure that he simply can’t help himself, even when it’s doing him political damage. And now that he’s about to become president, nothing has changed.
When he starts making policy announcements by tweet then it'll be time to worry. He's not teh Prez yet, and as a private citizen he's free to make as much of an arse of himself as anyone else.
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Re: The Reign of Trump

Post by Tyrannical » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:27 pm

Śiva wrote:No. Even a declaration of war with China wouldn't be justify nullifying the bonds they hold. You'd destroy the security those bonds represent and why they're so valued in the first place. No one would want to hold your debt after a stunt like that.
To make the libs happy, Trump could just grant the Dali Lama a trillion dollars in damages over Tibet. Courtesy of Chinese bond holders.
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