The Reign of Trump

[DaveDodo007]

Your attempt at irony is self-defeating. Haven't you noticed that yet?

OH poor stupid me, please enlighten me were I'm wrong, I'll wait.

Have stab at a cogent point and I'll give it a go.

Been there, done that and I have the T shirt. Your whole ideology is redistribution of other people's wealth whilst patting yourself on the back for how generous you are. Really popular at first until you run out of other people's money. Then the bread lines start, cracking down on protesters. If a country is lucky you get voted out of office if not then re-education camps and gulags start. Marxism rinse and repeat.

LOL. You know next to nothing about my political views other than, of course, that I disagree with you on most things - nor are you interested in finding out what they might be either. Let me be clear: I don't disagree with on most things due to being ideologically opposed to or in favour of this, that, or the other, in fact I'm open to a persuasive argument from any quarter, but mostly because your expressed views are wholly declarative and, frankly, little more than whinging rants. You don't present arguments, you assert something akin to self-evident truths, and you attempt to justify them by tilting at strawmen you build on misplaced assumptions about why people don't take your views seriously. One doesn't have to subscribe to any particular political outlook to see that your political declarations are primarily dogmatic and self-authorising. It's a matter of public record.

You are forgetting one thing, I used to be a lefty quite hard core in fact. I used to believe in all the lefty/liberal bullshit but now I have been redpilled. It is only when the left wing went anti free speech, anti free expression and anti freedom of conscience along with their puritanical nature and being joymops is when my eyes where opened. Out of all the issues of the lefty/liberals that agitate me it was the anti fun police that pissed me off the most. You lefty/liberals are now the new puritans where identity politics and political correctness is all. Feeling are more important than reality, how is that working out for you. You lefty/liberals abandoned the working class and looked down on the 'uneducation' masses with your academia elitism. You can rationalize it in your head all you want but if you want to neglect large swathes of people who have the vote whilst pandering to your petty pet issues more fool you. Carry on being self satisfyingly smug in your own superiority while we conservatives win election after election.

[DaveDodo007]

DaveDodo007 wrote:

...Nationalism is back and it will be glorious...

Would sir like a nice set of gas ovens to go with that?

I left out the socialism part because that is where the dead bodies tend to pile up.

[JimC]

I'm not sure of current practices. If an illegal immigrant is arrested and convicted in the US, do they at present get automatically deported? Deporting convicted criminals is one thing, but as Brian has so eloquently demonstrated, a purge of the dimensions Trump was raving about would be a logistical nightmare.

[JimC]

DaveDodo007 wrote:

...Nationalism is back and it will be glorious...

Would sir like a nice set of gas ovens to go with that?

I left out the socialism part because that is where the dead bodies tend to pile up.

The "socialism" bit tacked on by the nazis had no connection whatsoever with actual socialism...

[Brian Peacock]

What's wrong with being social?

[JimC]

It's the thin end of the wedge. First you start being a little social, and before you know it you are shipping your friends to gulags...

[Brian Peacock]

Probably best to be anti-social then.

[JimC]

That's no good either. You turn into Crumple, and soon the men in the white coats come to visit...

[DaveDodo007]

Just 11 million deportations, taking an axe to the tax code, and a bit of brick laying to go.

Enter the country legally or get the fuck out. Reward hard/smart working people, the horror. Create jobs, ho noes, FDR will be turning in his grave (he won't.)

Trump promised that 11 million people will be swiftly deported. Think about that for a moment. 11 million people. Aside from the improbable logistics of such an operation, how many of those 11 million have children who are American citizens? If even half of them have at least one child that's over 5 million children left without at least one parent. How many children might be left with no parents? If even half of those those children have both their parents deported that's 2.5 million homeless children without parents or a means of support. Is the state going to take them in, or are they supposed to make their own way in the world, somehow? If even half of those kids are taken into a home, either by a relative, or fostered, or placed in some sort of care, that's still 1.25 million children left over. How many have to starve to death, or die of exposure, or end up in detention or being exploited and abused before this becomes a problem, let alone a national disgrace? And I'm being generous with my assumptions here.

As I said, this is aside from the improbable logistics of such an operation which would involve, hiring a huge number of officials and training them, finding buildings, setting up IT and communication systems, managing all that, developing systems for identifying and locating targets, organising transport, drawing up rotas, setting quotas, sending out the snatch squads, massively ramping up the court system, which needs expensive judges and lawyers, court officials, admin support, buildings to put them in, canteens, energy, staff accommodation, secure containment facilities, toilets, bog rolls, guards, uniforms, guns, ammo, shackles. The list goes on and on... Would there be an appeals procedure for those snatched by mistake? Would people be able to apply for citizenship or sponsorship under certain circumstances? Not to mention the economic impact of taking 11 million working people out of the economy, because undocumented immigrants don't get any handouts and most of them are workers, not criminals, or even criminally minded, well not yet anyway. What would the state do to those who tried to hide or shelter their friends, their colleagues, their employees, their children's nannies? Would that be a criminal matter, and if so, what do you do with all those people? Build even more prisons, impose fines, disqualify voting rights or deport them as well?

And if all that came to pass, what would America have become? Draw your own conclusions.

Yeah, it's easy to say "fuck 'em" isn't it? After all, it's not you is it - it's somebody else - the nominal other, the spic, the wop, or as Trump's rhetoric had it, it's only rapists, criminals, and drug dealer. Saying "Fuck 'em, it's their own fault for being illegal aliens" is easy. Just demean and dehumanise the other and it absolves one of any need to actually think about them as people or the consequences of the action - it makes the actions of the state seem so clear cut, so straight-forward, so simple. Too simple.

It is easy, make sure any business that employs illegals should be shut down, either have ID or go back to your country, what are they going to live on. Spare me the bleeding heart if your country is fucked stay and fight to make it a better country as it is what we in the West had to do. They are criminals as they are in the USA illegally so they should leave. It sounds harsh and it is but forcing people to live in their own country should make them fight for a more fairer country. Giving people easy options just makes the world unfair for the ones who can't escape their own governments. Tough love is the hardest to give out but will be more beneficial in the future.

[DaveDodo007]

DaveDodo007 wrote:

...Nationalism is back and it will be glorious...

Would sir like a nice set of gas ovens to go with that?

I left out the socialism part because that is where the dead bodies tend to pile up.

The "socialism" bit tacked on by the nazis had no connection whatsoever with actual socialism...

Yeah, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better doesn't make it wrong though.

[Tero]

So how many miles of fence will Trump build in 2 years, when his power ends at mid term election?

[pErvinalia]

Protectionism is redistribution of other people's wealth WRIT LARGE! Colonialism raped the third world, and then slapped protectionisms up to stop the third world at least trying to compete on a somewhat even footing. You really are fucking clueless, aren't you?

Cry me a river as I only care about the Western democracies. Fuck the third world and their dark age religions and their backward cultures where they oppress women and LGBT minorities. I'm not saying that we haven't been total bastards to them countries in the past (we have.) It's about time we left those countries alone and only trade with them from now on. We have to butt out and stop trying to influence them and let them go about their own business. Isolationist is the new strategy and nationalism is the way forward for the West.

Translation: I only care about wealth redistribution when it affects people who look like me.

[pErvinalia]

What jobs? The coal mines again? There are no factories coming back.

Exactly.

The sheer naivety of Dave is spectacular. Conservatives are the ones responsible for shipping job offshore, as it's a model of economic efficiency. To think that the republican rich, including Donald Trump, will willingly sacrifice their profits to make stuff in America which costs 20 times or more as much as in the third world is bordering on delusional. Perhaps by some miracle Donald Trump actually believes the bullshit he peddles, he's still got to fight the republican establishment to implement it. It's just not going to happen until you have a proper revolution against neoliberalism. And that means voting for the non-conservatives allies to the cause, like Bernie Sanders.

As if this hasn't been noticed by the new conservatives. The cuckservatives are an issue and need to be purged from the party. Fuck the old school republicans and fuck the evangelicals. We adopted Trump as he probably didn't know we existed in the first place and we carried him to the Whitehouse. We are a movement and unlike the BernieBros we won. Watch us now sweep through the Western world as we are unstumpable and the elitist, globalist, corporalist as well as the bankers are going to be BTFO. Nationalism is back and it will be glorious.

You think Trump isn't an elitist or a corporatist? As I said, delusional...

[pErvinalia]

DaveDodo007 wrote:

...Nationalism is back and it will be glorious...

Would sir like a nice set of gas ovens to go with that?

[pErvinalia]

Yeah, it's easy to say "fuck 'em" isn't it? After all, it's not you is it - it's somebody else - the nominal other, the spic, the wop, or as Trump's rhetoric had it, it's only rapists, criminals, and drug dealer. Saying "Fuck 'em, it's their own fault for being illegal aliens" is easy. Just demean and dehumanise the other and it absolves one of any need to actually think about them as people or the consequences of the action - it makes the actions of the state seem so clear cut, so straight-forward, so simple. Too simple.