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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tero » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:54 am

Tyrannical wrote:
Tero wrote:You did not get it. Impeachment is only while you are at your post and only for that post. She is no longer Secretary or Senator. She can only be impeached as president for presidential acts. Not former acts. You could be impeached for falsely representing a state you don't live in or other things that disqualify you from your job.
You're wrong. She can still be impeached over her actions as secretary of state.
I just explained it. Are you an idiot or what? She can be jailed, not impeached.
Legal Definition of impeach. 1 : to charge with a crime or misconduct; specifically : to charge (a public official) before a competent tribunal (as the U.S. Senate) with misconduct in office Editor's note: Impeachment is the first step in removing an officer from office.
Impeachment in the United States is an expressed power of the legislature that allows formal charges to be brought against a civil officer of government for crimes alleged to have been committed while in office. The actual trial on such charges, and subsequent removal of an official upon conviction, is separate from the act of impeachment itself. Impeachment proceedings have been initiated against several presidents of the United States. Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton are the only two presidents to have been successfully impeached by the House of Representatives, and both were later acquitted by the Senate.
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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tyrannical » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:05 pm

Tero,

I provided a link with an article where the author (as in not Tyrannical) says she can still be impeached for her actions as secretary of state with a prior example of someone that resigned and was still impeached. There is a very good reason to still impeach her, it is the only constitutional way to Ban her from being elected President or Vice President. I don't think even a presidential pardon can over turn that.
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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tero » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:55 pm

There is no such precedent. Impeachment is removal.

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tyrannical » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:19 pm

Tero wrote:There is no such precedent. Impeachment is removal.
There is precedent and I showed it to you, and impeachment is more than just removal. It also bans them from ever holding another government office of trust.
Congress has no other way but impeachment to ban someone from ever holding office, that's why it is important and they are able to impeach someone after their term is finished or they have resigned.
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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tero » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:02 pm

Guve me the link again. I'm riding 20 miles more (bike), will look at it then.

By the way, I think it's illegal to ban anyone from office for life. Criminals, after serving, can be senators.

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tyrannical » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:50 pm

Tero wrote:Guve me the link again. I'm riding 20 miles more (bike), will look at it then.

By the way, I think it's illegal to ban anyone from office for life. Criminals, after serving, can be senators.
I have problems cutting and pasting on my phone, the link is on previous page. The banned from public office for impeachment is directly in the constitution.
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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tero » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:05 pm

The ban for life is not automatic, it is a separate vote
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2010/ ... -congress/

The Western Journalism claim is bogus and the Belknap case had Congress overstepping its authority. The supreme court would intervene today.

Another link suggests Hillary could be impeached for deeds as secretary
http://essential-book.org/books/impeach/#nine
after she becomes president. If she holds no office, in practical terms no impeachment will take place.

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tero » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:05 pm

Basically, impeachment is a tool to remove corrupt politicians who are currently in office. Congress is not the tool for private citizens (Hillary, Trump). Federal courts are for that.

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Tero » Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:31 pm

Hillary's Romney moment (47%)
Republicans from the presidential ticket on down pounced Saturday on Hillary Clinton’s remarks that half of Donald J. Trump’s supporters fit into a “basket of deplorables,” saying it showed she was out of touch with an economically hard-hit electorate.

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by pErvinalia » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:10 am

Tyrannical wrote:
Tero wrote:Guve me the link again. I'm riding 20 miles more (bike), will look at it then.

By the way, I think it's illegal to ban anyone from office for life. Criminals, after serving, can be senators.
I have problems cutting and pasting on my phone, the link is on previous page. The banned from public office for impeachment is directly in the constitution.
"Smart" phones.. :hehe:

Regarding impeachment, that would require the republican party doing the impeachment, right? Well, that's not going to happen, given most of the republican party don't support Trump. Most of them would prefer to see Hillary president rather than Trump. :drunk:
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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by tattuchu » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:20 am

Is a basket of deplorables similar to a bag of dicks :ask:
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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by mistermack » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:55 pm

If they impeached Hillary after she'd won the election, the vice president would take over, right?
So they wouldn't be letting Trump in by the back door.

Hillary's best bet is to have a certified pacifist socialist as vice presidential running mate. Can't see them voting for impeachment then.
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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:54 pm

Hillary Clinton has pneumonia, says doctor, after exit from 9/11 ceremony

Hillary Clinton has pneumonia and has been advised to rest, the Democratic presidential nominee’s doctor said on Sunday, after Clinton abruptly left the 9/11 memorial ceremony in downtown Manhattan because, her campaign initially said, she “felt overheated”.

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump mark 15th anniversary of 9/11 attacks at Ground Zero

“Secretary Clinton has been experiencing a cough related to allergies,” Dr Lisa R Bardack said in a statement. “On Friday, during follow up evaluation of her prolonged cough, she was diagnosed with pneumonia. She was put on antibiotics, and advised to rest and modify her schedule.

“While at this morning’s event, she became overheated and dehydrated. I have just examined her and she is now re-hydrated and recovering nicely.”

Clinton, who spoke at a fundraising event in New York on Friday night, recently sustained a coughing attack during a campaign event in Cleveland, fueling rightwing suspicion about her health and led to the creation of a hashtag, #HackingHillary. Her opponent, Donald Trump, used reaction on social media to push his case that the press is biased, tweeting: “Mainstream media never covered Hillary’s massive ‘hacking’ or coughing attack, yet it is #1 trending. What’s up?”

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by cronus » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:39 am

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 132641.htm

Pneumonia patients nearly twice as likely to suffer from depression, cognitive impairments

The long-term consequences of pneumonia can be more detrimental to a person's health than having a heart attack, according to joint research from the University of Michigan Health System and University of Washington School of Medicine.

Older adults who are hospitalized for pneumonia have a significantly higher risk of new problems that affect their ability to care for themselves, and the effects are comparable to those who survive a heart attack or stroke, according to the new findings in the American Journal of Medicine.

"Pneumonia is clearly not only an acute life threatening event but also a profoundly life altering event," says senior author Theodore J. Iwashyna, M.D., Ph.D., assistant professor of internal medicine at U-M and who also works with the Institute of Social Research and the VA Center for Clinical Management Research. "The potentially substantial chronic care needs and diminished quality of life for survivors are comparable to the effects of heart disease, yet we invest far fewer resources to pneumonia prevention."

Patients who were treated for pneumonia -- including those hospitalized even once in a nine-year period and who did not require critical care -- were more than twice as likely to develop new cognitive impairments. These new brain problems were so big that they often lead to disability and nursing home admissions among older adults. After treatment for pneumonia, patients also had nearly double the risk of substantial depressive symptoms.

Following hospitalization, patients with pneumonia also had much increased risk of losing the ability to maintain daily life activities such as walking, cooking meals or being able to use the bathroom without assistance.

"Even non-critical pneumonia hospitalization can lead to long term adverse outcomes at a magnitude much greater than we previously thought," says lead author Dimitry S. Davydow, M.D, M.P.H., assistant professor of psychiatry at U-W. "Pneumonia prevention and interventions are crucial given the costly and detrimental consequences for patients."

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Re: The Hillary-thread

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:20 am

Confusing correlation with causation perhaps.
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