Abso-lootelly.Brian Peacock wrote: But I do try to resist falling to the fallacy of the hasty generalisation when expressing my disgruntlement with, and objections to, religious (or political for that matter) ideology. The charge that 'all Muslims are X' is no more reasonable or accurate than the charge that 'all atheists are Y' or 'all republicans are Z'.
Well, and I assert that the "Islamic State" was established by secularist Iraqi ex-military leaders who want their power back that they lost when the US destroyed Saddam. (and not for emotional reasons of being faithful believers)JimC wrote:I still assert that the opposition was because the church of the time had major influences over a significant part of the population, and were inevitably crushed in the name of consolidating power, not for emotional reasons of detesting religion per se, whatever the rhetoric was...
There is some truth in this, as well. Motivations for religious wars also include a desire for power over others. However, religious wars have a tendency to add an additional emotional fervour to the more cold-blooded drive to dominate others...NineBerry wrote:Well, and I assert that the "Islamic State" was established by secularist Iraqi ex-military leaders who want their power back that they lost when the US destroyed Saddam. (and not for emotional reasons of being faithful believers)JimC wrote:I still assert that the opposition was because the church of the time had major influences over a significant part of the population, and were inevitably crushed in the name of consolidating power, not for emotional reasons of detesting religion per se, whatever the rhetoric was...
For sure, but revolutions tend to overthrow established authority 'in the name of' the people. Both the Jacobines and the East European communists were anti-Monarchist constitutionalists who saw the Roman Catholic Church as an arm of the aristocracy, which indeed it was.NineBerry wrote:I said "in the name of". And you just have to study the history of revolutions in Europe in the 19th and 20th century (mostly France and Russia) only a bit to see how deeply opposition to religion was embedded in the used ideologies. Both the Jacobines and the European communists were really big on being anti-religion and pro rationality.
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Buncha pussies, these kids. One whiff of CS and they run crying to their mamas. Back when we were manning the barricades they issued live ammo to the National Guard.NineBerry wrote:Young kids today have no idea what a revolution is like.
laklak wrote:Buncha pussies, these kids. One whiff of CS and they run crying to their mamas. Back when we were manning the barricades they issued live ammo to the National Guard.NineBerry wrote:Young kids today have no idea what a revolution is like.
It's a weird generation. I was watching Nova last night, and they had this 88 year old guy going down in a submarine off of Normandy to visit the ship that sank out from under him back in World War 2. The guy was 18 when he was on the ship. He was very clear, though, that what he went through did not even hold a candle to the Twitter harassment of today. When he was told that college students were subjected to being told they speak English well, and asked where their families are from originally, he couldn't believe it. And, he gave back his purple heart and bronze star medals when he found out that the song "Blurred Lines" was legal in some countries.laklak wrote:Buncha pussies, these kids. One whiff of CS and they run crying to their mamas. Back when we were manning the barricades they issued live ammo to the National Guard.NineBerry wrote:Young kids today have no idea what a revolution is like.
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