Is Islam inherently homophobic?

[Forty Two]

Would calling it homophobic be Islamaphobic? Or, would calling it Islamaphobic to call Islam homophobic be, well, also homophobic?

[pErvinalia]

It's fucked up, whatever it is..

[Svartalf]

I don't care if I'm called an islamophobe, it's a cult that calls on killing for homosexuals and any number of other categories, including those leaving the cult, and that lionizes a kiddy fiddler... it's no good.

[JimC]

If you judge it by its holy writings, and by the pronouncements by many of its religious leaders, then yes it is.

However, there has always been a strong underground gay culture in many middle eastern countries, and I suspect in some circumstances, a blind eye is turned...

Also, many western muslims are abandoning the harshest aspects of Islam (by cherry picking, in reality) and that includes homophobia.

[Seth]

I don't care if I'm called an islamophobe, it's a cult that calls on killing for homosexuals and any number of other categories, including those leaving the cult, and that lionizes a kiddy fiddler... it's no good.

"Islamophobe" suggests that one holds an irrational and debilitating fear of Muslims, which may or may not be true of people who merely despise and loath them and their religion.

What's the modifer that means "rationally dislikes and rejects?"

Islamophile would be an Islam lover but what's the opposite?

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[Brian Peacock]

[pErvinalia]

I don't care if I'm called an islamophobe, it's a cult that calls on killing for homosexuals and any number of other categories, including those leaving the cult, and that lionizes a kiddy fiddler... it's no good.

"Islamophobe" suggests that one holds an irrational and debilitating fear of Muslims

No it doesn't.

[Seth]

I don't care if I'm called an islamophobe, it's a cult that calls on killing for homosexuals and any number of other categories, including those leaving the cult, and that lionizes a kiddy fiddler... it's no good.

"Islamophobe" suggests that one holds an irrational and debilitating fear of Muslims

No it doesn't.

Yes, in point of actual lexicological fact, it does, "phobia" meaning exactly that and all...

[JimC]

Technically, the suffixes "phobe" (for an individual) or "phobia" (for a condition) simply imply fear. However, many uses of the word have an additional implication that the fear is somewhat exaggerated. For example, an arachnophobe may well be paralysed with fear at the sight of a small, harmless spider some distance away, as opposed to a certain amount of rational fear most people would have at the sight of a Sydney funnel web with fangs raised in close proximity...

In the same way, perhaps islamophobia could be described an exaggerated fear, in that one fears or dislikes virtually every aspect of islam, and all muslims, whereas a specific fear or dislike of armed Islamic jihadists is perfectly rational.

[pErvinalia]

I don't care if I'm called an islamophobe, it's a cult that calls on killing for homosexuals and any number of other categories, including those leaving the cult, and that lionizes a kiddy fiddler... it's no good.

"Islamophobe" suggests that one holds an irrational and debilitating fear of Muslims

No it doesn't.

Yes, in point of actual lexicological fact, it does, "phobia" meaning exactly that and all...

Consult a dictionary and get back to us.

[Seth]

Technically, the suffixes "phobe" (for an individual) or "phobia" (for a condition) simply imply fear. However, many uses of the word have an additional implication that the fear is somewhat exaggerated. For example, an arachnophobe may well be paralysed with fear at the sight of a small, harmless spider some distance away, as opposed to a certain amount of rational fear most people would have at the sight of a Sydney funnel web with fangs raised in close proximity...

In the same way, perhaps islamophobia could be described an exaggerated fear, in that one fears or dislikes virtually every aspect of islam, and all muslims, whereas a specific fear or dislike of armed Islamic jihadists is perfectly rational.

"Fear" and "dislike" are two distinct and entirely separate emotions and one need not be the companion to the other. One can dislike something without fearing it at all.

Moreover, "exaggerated" ("out of proportion" technically) fear is a diagnostic sign of a phobia, whereas "dislike" is not:

The DSM-5 criteria for a specific phobia are:

Marked and out of proportion fear within an environmental or situational context to the presence or anticipation of a specific object or situation
Exposure to the phobic stimulus provokes an immediate anxiety response, which may take the form of a situationally bound or situationally predisposed panic attack.
The person recognizes that the fear is out of proportion.
The phobic situation(s) is avoided or else is endured with intense anxiety or distress.
The avoidance, anxious anticipation or distress in the feared situation(s) interferes significantly with the person's normal routine, occupational (or academic) functioning, or social activities or relationships, or there is marked distress about having the phobia. (emphasis added)
Source: http://www.theravive.com/therapedia/Spe ... ple-Codes)

[Seth]

I don't care if I'm called an islamophobe, it's a cult that calls on killing for homosexuals and any number of other categories, including those leaving the cult, and that lionizes a kiddy fiddler... it's no good.

"Islamophobe" suggests that one holds an irrational and debilitating fear of Muslims

No it doesn't.

Yes, in point of actual lexicological fact, it does, "phobia" meaning exactly that and all...

Consult a dictionary and get back to us.

Just did:

Introduction

A phobia is an anxiety disorder involving a persistent fear of an object, place or situation disproportional to the threat or danger posed by the object of the fear. The person who has the phobia will go to great lengths to avoid the object of the fear and experience great distress if it is encountered. These irrational fears and reactions must result in interference with social and work life to meet the DSM-5 criteria. There are five subtypes of specific phobia: animal, natural environment, blood-injection-injury, situational and other. Social phobia, involving fear of social situations, is a separate disorder. Examples of specific phobias include fear of mice, vomiting, insects, and heights. Some phobias many of us can relate to such as dental work or mathematics; a normal response to these fears is proportional to the threat.

Under DSM-5, several changes have been made to prevent the over diagnosis of specific phobias based on the overestimation of danger or occasional fears. A person no longer has to demonstrate excessive or unreasonable anxiety for a diagnosis of specific phobia. Instead, the anxiety must be “out of proportion” to the threat considering the environment and situation.
Specific Phobia Symptoms

A person who has a specific phobia disorder experiences significant and persistent fear when in the presence of, or anticipating the presence of, the object of fear, which may be an object, place or situation.

The DSM-5 criteria for a specific phobia are:

Marked and out of proportion fear within an environmental or situational context to the presence or anticipation of a specific object or situation
Exposure to the phobic stimulus provokes an immediate anxiety response, which may take the form of a situationally bound or situationally predisposed panic attack.
The person recognizes that the fear is out of proportion.
The phobic situation(s) is avoided or else is endured with intense anxiety or distress.
The avoidance, anxious anticipation or distress in the feared situation(s) interferes significantly with the person's normal routine, occupational (or academic) functioning, or social activities or relationships, or there is marked distress about having the phobia.

The new DSM-5 criteria states that the symptoms for all ages must have a duration of at least 6 months.

Source: http://www.theravive.com/therapedia/Spe ... ple-Codes)

Now shut the fuck up.

[JimC]

True, but in the case of most people who could be described as islamophobic or homophobic, dislike would be present as well. In fact, dislike (or even outright hatred) might well be the dominant emotion for people given those labels. In contrast, fears that are not political, shall we say, like the arachnophobia I mentioned, would probably not be accompanied by dislike.

What this means is that those 2 terms are not really equivalent to the well-documented other types of phobias...

[pErvinalia]

"Islamophobe" suggests that one holds an irrational and debilitating fear of Muslims

No it doesn't.

Yes, in point of actual lexicological fact, it does, "phobia" meaning exactly that and all...

Consult a dictionary and get back to us.

Just did:

Introduction

A phobia is an anxiety disorder involving a persistent fear of an object, place or situation disproportional to the threat or danger posed by the object of the fear. The person who has the phobia will go to great lengths to avoid the object of the fear and experience great distress if it is encountered. These irrational fears and reactions must result in interference with social and work life to meet the DSM-5 criteria. There are five subtypes of specific phobia: animal, natural environment, blood-injection-injury, situational and other. Social phobia, involving fear of social situations, is a separate disorder. Examples of specific phobias include fear of mice, vomiting, insects, and heights. Some phobias many of us can relate to such as dental work or mathematics; a normal response to these fears is proportional to the threat.

Under DSM-5, several changes have been made to prevent the over diagnosis of specific phobias based on the overestimation of danger or occasional fears. A person no longer has to demonstrate excessive or unreasonable anxiety for a diagnosis of specific phobia. Instead, the anxiety must be “out of proportion” to the threat considering the environment and situation.
Specific Phobia Symptoms

A person who has a specific phobia disorder experiences significant and persistent fear when in the presence of, or anticipating the presence of, the object of fear, which may be an object, place or situation.

The DSM-5 criteria for a specific phobia are:

Marked and out of proportion fear within an environmental or situational context to the presence or anticipation of a specific object or situation
Exposure to the phobic stimulus provokes an immediate anxiety response, which may take the form of a situationally bound or situationally predisposed panic attack.
The person recognizes that the fear is out of proportion.
The phobic situation(s) is avoided or else is endured with intense anxiety or distress.
The avoidance, anxious anticipation or distress in the feared situation(s) interferes significantly with the person's normal routine, occupational (or academic) functioning, or social activities or relationships, or there is marked distress about having the phobia.

The new DSM-5 criteria states that the symptoms for all ages must have a duration of at least 6 months.

Source: http://www.theravive.com/therapedia/Spe ... ple-Codes)

Now shut the fuck up.

There is no mention of homophobia anywhere there. Can you even read?

[Svartalf]

I don't care if I'm called an islamophobe, it's a cult that calls on killing for homosexuals and any number of other categories, including those leaving the cult, and that lionizes a kiddy fiddler... it's no good.

"Islamophobe" suggests that one holds an irrational and debilitating fear of Muslims

No it doesn't.

technically, it does, except that in this case the fear and loathing toward islam are fully justified