Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

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Re: Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:52 pm

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eRv wrote:Lucky your job is concern trolling the internet.. :hehe:

In any case: :lol: So you can say "some religions do", and that's acceptable, but when we say it, you start bleating "islamaphobia!!1!".
It depends, not on whether you say it or I say it, but on whether the particular category being discussed has homopobic practices. To summarise:-
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This is true, but it's not "diversity" that's responsible for that, it's the fact that Christianity, as a religion, isn't "homophobic" at all. None of the mainstream Christian churches you named prohibit persons of homosexual sexual orientation from being members of the church. Indeed, to my knowledge they all welcome such persons to be members of the church. The single fact that those churches refuse to sanctify gay marriages is not a manifestation of "homophobia" in any way whatsoever, it's merely a rule of the church, based on that organizations beliefs regarding what the meaning of "marriage" is within that particular religious organization.
You are confused. That a practice is not illegally discriminating does not in any way demonstrate that it is not homophobic. A neo-Nazi organization may preclude the membership of black individuals. That's their right. That alone does not mean the policy is not racist. Homophobia is defined as unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality. To determine whether the church's exclusion of homosexual marriages is homophobic or not, one has to examine whether the justifications for that exclusion are rational or not, and whether they evidence an antipathy or not. As it happens, the RCC asserts that the practice of homosexual acts is disordered and therefore homosexual marriage is illegitimate. This is an evolved theology based more on cultural mores than an actual explicit justification in their sacred literature. The bible describes homosexual practices as an 'abomination'. There is no clearer evidence that the church has antipathy towards homosexuals. They evidence antipathy towards homosexuals and that is homophobia. Therefore the RCC's practice of denying homosexual marriages is homophobic.
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1. unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
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Re: Is Catholocism inherently homophobic?

Post by Seth » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:20 am

Brian Peacock wrote:I think the influence they have extends beyond the pews, not least because they describe themselves as compassionate and loving and stake a normative claim to default rectitude - Catholics are 'nice'. As I said, their hateful bigotry is insidious and offers cover to other more 'out-there' Christian denominations - even if they're not throwing gay men off high buildings they are still involved in normalising homophobia and intolerance.
Dislike of homosexuality is not a phobia and intolerance is a civil right, as is discrimination. We all discriminate all the time against this or that. It's nothing more than making choices. In this case it's about making choices about with whom one wishes to associate and not to associate. Homosexuals have no greater right to demand social acceptance than anybody else, which is no right at all. Social acceptance is earned not enforced.
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Re: Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

Post by Seth » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:24 am

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Tyrannical wrote:Murderaphobic, adultryaphobic, and stealaphobic too.
Homophobia is probably the most miss used word in the English langauge; a phobia is an irrational fear or aversion.
An absurd post. It is certainly not irrational to fear or oppose murder or stealing in any society. One could argue that adultery (not including couples in open relationships) is potentially damaging, but I'll call that one 50/50. Homosexuality by consenting adults, on the other hand, is no one's fucking business except the participants, and so phobia is a reasonable description.
Can you say "HIV/AIDS?"

Can you say "civil lawsuits against Christian bakers who refuse to bake cakes for homosexual weddings?"

Homosexuals make it other people's business when they seek to wield the Mace of State to force others to socially accept them.

Disliking people who abuse the legal system to violate the religious and free association rights of others is hardly phobic or irrational. Indeed, it's growing increasingly rational and reasonable with every homosexual-instigated lawsuit based on perceived slights by others.
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Re: Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

Post by cronus » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:51 am

The only cure for homophobia in the chruch is flooding. A full scale, bums on empty seats, gay invasion of the church....this will cure the phobia.... :read:
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Re: Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:05 am

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Tyrannical wrote:Murderaphobic, adultryaphobic, and stealaphobic too.
Homophobia is probably the most miss used word in the English langauge; a phobia is an irrational fear or aversion.
An absurd post. It is certainly not irrational to fear or oppose murder or stealing in any society. One could argue that adultery (not including couples in open relationships) is potentially damaging, but I'll call that one 50/50. Homosexuality by consenting adults, on the other hand, is no one's fucking business except the participants, and so phobia is a reasonable description.
Can you say "HIV/AIDS?"
What a daft comment. Can you say "influenza"?
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Re: Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

Post by JimC » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:19 am

eRv wrote:
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Tyrannical wrote:Murderaphobic, adultryaphobic, and stealaphobic too.
Homophobia is probably the most miss used word in the English langauge; a phobia is an irrational fear or aversion.
An absurd post. It is certainly not irrational to fear or oppose murder or stealing in any society. One could argue that adultery (not including couples in open relationships) is potentially damaging, but I'll call that one 50/50. Homosexuality by consenting adults, on the other hand, is no one's fucking business except the participants, and so phobia is a reasonable description.
Can you say "HIV/AIDS?"
What a daft comment. Can you say "influenza"?
Exactly. AIDS is not a threat from homosexuals to the rest of society. And, in Africa, it's mostly spread by heterosexual intercourse anyway...

It is probably true that the AIDS epidemic made some sections of society more homophobic than they would have been without it, but this was truly an irrational fear...

Exi should be examining Seth's posts with interest, if he wants to be accurate in labelling posts as vile and homophobic...
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Re: Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

Post by DRSB » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:30 am

They say that apostle Paul was homosexual and inherently a woman hater.

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Re: Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

Post by JimC » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:43 am

He certainly wasn't a big fan of hiding the sausage...
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Re: Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:07 am

DRSB wrote:They say that apostle Paul was homosexual and inherently a woman hater.
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Re: Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:09 am

It's interesting that those who are apparently outraged by Islamic homophobia will put so much effort into justifying the normaliation of exactly the same kind of hateful Christian bigotry.
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Re: Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

Post by JimC » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:16 am

The secular west has drawn the teeth of the worst of christian bigotry. One day, the Islamic world will follow...
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Re: Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:34 am

Brian Peacock wrote:It's interesting that those who are apparently outraged by Islamic homophobia will put so much effort into justifying the normaliation of exactly the same kind of hateful Christian bigotry.
Hence why there's a lot of suspicion that those people are actually not atheists, but Christians. :tea:
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Re: Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:40 am

Not necessarily. Many people just associate Christian values with default rectitude because that's what they're taught and that's what they're used to within their cultural setting. These people might not be part of a flock, but they're still sheep.
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Re: Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:44 am

Yeah definitely. But there's always been suspicion about Seth. He's an ardent defender of Christianity and supernaturalism.
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Re: Is Catholicism inherently homophobic?

Post by JimC » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:53 am

eRv wrote:Yeah definitely. But there's always been suspicion about Seth. He's an ardent defender of Christianity and supernaturalism.
He is actually a Bishop in the Reformed Church of Paranoia.

He has recently been defrocked on suspicion of being a covert Marxist... :tea:
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