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Post by piscator » Mon May 23, 2016 7:05 am

DaveDodo007 wrote: Because of her Wall St. support she is the status quo, name me someone who is excited about a Hillary victory? Trump will win because any attacks will be seen as the as the elite are trying to censor him.


If people don't hold a lying jagoff like Trump to any standards, who are they to demand anything of Hillary?

No evidence of any quid pro quo in HRC's record. If Hillary was Trump, where she got her checks from would be "None of your fkn business!"... right?

People evidently need to be shown they can't be against HRC's income and be for Trump's secret tax returns...




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Post by Forty Two » Mon May 23, 2016 12:01 pm

piscator wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote: Because of her Wall St. support she is the status quo, name me someone who is excited about a Hillary victory? Trump will win because any attacks will be seen as the as the elite are trying to censor him.


If people don't hold a lying jagoff like Trump to any standards, who are they to demand anything of Hillary?
It's actually the reverse - if people don't hold HILLARY (a lying jill-off) to any standards, who are they to demand anything of Trump?
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No evidence of any quid pro quo in HRC's record. If Hillary was Trump, where she got her checks from would be "None of your fkn business!"... right?
Right.
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People evidently need to be shown they can't be against HRC's income and be for Trump's secret tax returns...




BernieBros are hipsters, BTW. Not gonna go big for The Donald, who pulls a lot of old guys in NASCAR* hats.



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“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Forty Two » Mon May 23, 2016 12:14 pm

laklak wrote: But none of them even come close to The Donald. It's a rough beast, no doubt, and it's slouching it's way towards the District of Columbia.
The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Forty Two » Mon May 23, 2016 12:20 pm

Animavore wrote:This is a reconciliation post. 42, I get it now. I know the last time we talked I rage quit, but you've helped me understand Trumpism. I done a lot of reading on Trump since, and America's discontent with the established order. I was being stubborn and pre-judgemental. I don't like the guy and I choose a narrative which suited my prejudice. I still think he's a terrible choice, but understand better the electorate now and the conditions allowing this happen.
So thank you.
No need to apologize, but you're welcome. I was very anti-Trump when he first announced. I didn't like the fact that he was more celebrity than politician, and my reaction was that he would turn it into reality TV (and that he was not serious). But, I became convinced that he was serious, and am convinced that on many (not all) issues, he has good points (economics, trade, taxes, business, industry). And, those issues are what I feel are most important.

I get, and respect, being against Trump. I do not agree, though, that a valid objection to Trump is that he is a buffoon, a liar or "just saying things to get elected," or that he is non-specific about his policies, flexible on the issues, or has made inconsistent statements. All of those things apply to every major candidate we've seen and elected in the past 40 years, or more. I also reject the allegations of racism and sexism - that's just the typical nonsense hurled from the ideological left (everyone they don't support is a racist or a sexist, but if you're Bill Clinton you can be accused of rape and sexual assault by multiple women and they don't give a fuck, e.g.).

In any case, I never had a personal issue with you Ani, and I hope you did not take anything I wrote as being mean or an attack on you. Anything I wrote that may be interpreted that way, I withdraw. I apologize if I said anything uncivil. I want the discussions to continue, and I don't want to drive you or anyone else away.

So, peace. :cheers:
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by piscator » Mon May 23, 2016 6:32 pm

Forty Two wrote:
piscator wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote: Because of her Wall St. support she is the status quo, name me someone who is excited about a Hillary victory? Trump will win because any attacks will be seen as the as the elite are trying to censor him.


If people don't hold a lying jagoff like Trump to any standards, who are they to demand anything of Hillary?
It's actually the reverse - if people don't hold HILLARY (a lying jill-off) to any standards, who are they to demand anything of Trump?

Hillary has released her tax returns from the last 8 years.

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Post by Forty Two » Mon May 23, 2016 7:47 pm

So? She's still a lying piece of shit.

Lying about commodities trading and her 10,000 percent bribe...err, I mean, profit. http://www.nytimes.com/1994/03/30/us/hi ... wanted=all and http://community.seattletimes.nwsource. ... ug=1902853

Travelgate http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jun/23/news/mn-44043

Landing under fire in Bosnia...lol. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... in-bosnia/
The punishment visited on Sen. Hillary Clinton for her flagrant, hysterical, repetitive, pathological lying about her visit to Bosnia should be much heavier than it has yet been and should be exacted for much more than just the lying itself. There are two kinds of deliberate and premeditated deceit, commonly known as suggestio falsi and suppressio veri. (Neither of them is covered by the additionally lying claim of having "misspoken.") The first involves what seems to be most obvious in the present case: the putting forward of a bogus or misleading account of events. But the second, and often the more serious, means that the liar in question has also attempted to bury or to obscure something that actually is true. Let us examine how Sen. Clinton has managed to commit both of these offenses to veracity and decency and how in doing so she has rivaled, if not indeed surpassed, the disbarred and perjured hack who is her husband and tutor.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... tuzla.html
Yet Sen. Clinton, given repeated chances to modify her absurd claim to have operated under fire while in the company of her then-16-year-old daughter and a USO entertainment troupe, kept up a stone-faced and self-loving insistence that, yes, she had exposed herself to sniper fire in the cause of gaining moral credit and, perhaps to be banked for the future, national-security "experience." This must mean either a) that she lies without conscience or reflection; or b) that she is subject to fantasies of an illusory past; or c) both of the above. Any of the foregoing would constitute a disqualification for the presidency of the United States.
the great Hitch knew she was a piece of shit -- http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... inton.html



Benghazi was a spontaneous protest about an offensive video...

She lied about her support for fracking -- http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... cking.html

She lies about Bernie Sanders positions -- http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -delay-cl/

She lied and said her predecessors did the same thing with email as she did -- http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... same-thin/

She broke debate rules during debates this year - http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... bate-rules

One week, six Hillary lies -- http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/ ... inton-Lies

She claimed she did not vote for the Iraq War -- http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/4/ ... ar-in-Iraq

She pushed for the same trade bill she now opposes - http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/15/polit ... w-opposes/

She says she's unaware of receiving $150,000 in oil and gas contributions -- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hil ... 58f655fc87

she lied about Wall Street http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ows-213363

She lied about trying to join the Marines .... http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyl ... act-checks

She's a progressive and a centrist at the same time -- http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/2/ ... the-middle

She says she's not beholden to Wall Street -- http://finance.yahoo.com/news/clinton-i ... 00868.html

Here's Glenn Greenwald on Hillary's hawkishness -- https://theintercept.com/2015/09/09/hil ... sh-speech/

But, you're right....Trump hasn't yet disclosed his 1040. :coffeespray:
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Post by piscator » Mon May 23, 2016 8:32 pm

Forty Two wrote:So? She's still a lying piece of shit.

Sorry bro, I didn't get past the NYT link from 1994 about the Clintons claiming $100k in capital gains from commodities trading in their 1978 joint return. Then there was political hay made of it in 1994, but no one in the Republican Party or the law enforcement community of the United States could find enough evidence of any wrongdoing to even initiate an official investigation, much less prove HRC was lying about a damn thing in 1978.

Now here you are, holding it up like it's evidence that HRC is of low character., when all it is is stark evidence of your partisanship and willingness to swallow whatever koolaid you have to to protect your fanboy ideology. You'd be hacking away at anyone the Democratic Party nominated.



America has never had a candidate for POTUS so closely tied to the Mob as Trump. Trump didn't just buy concrete from the Mob, he enabled and facilitated them at every opportunity, because he's in their pocket. .

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Post by Tyrannical » Wed May 25, 2016 7:24 am

http://nypost.com/2016/05/25/protests-t ... ew-mexico/

Violent mobs attack once again at a Trump rally. They also threw bottles at police horses.
Protests outside a Donald Trump rally in New Mexico turned violent Tuesday night as demonstrators threw burning T-shirts, plastic bottles and other items at police officers, overturned trash cans and knocked down barricades.

Police responded by firing pepper spray and smoke grenades into the crowd outside the Albuquerque Convention Center.
It's stuff like this that make people want to vote for Trump even more, and to build The Wall just a little bit higher :hehe:
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Post by Forty Two » Wed May 25, 2016 12:03 pm

piscator wrote:
Forty Two wrote:So? She's still a lying piece of shit.

Sorry bro, I didn't get past the NYT link from 1994 about the Clintons claiming $100k in capital gains from commodities trading in their 1978 joint return.
Not surprised. Someone who is not interested in knowing the truth would definitely ignore the articles from huffpo, dailykos, Slate, politico, yahoo, and the varied, and left-leaning sources showing her to be a liar. She disclosed her tax returns,....nothing else to see here...

piscator wrote: Then there was political hay made of it in 1994, but no one in the Republican Party or the law enforcement community of the United States could find enough evidence of any wrongdoing to even initiate an official investigation, much less prove HRC was lying about a damn thing in 1978.
She lied about Bernie's positions, about fracking, about trying to join the Marines, about landing under sniper fire in Bosnia.....etc. etc. etc. etc.
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Now here you are, holding it up like it's evidence that HRC is of low character.,
it's part of the litany of evidence. Just like the evidence that GW Bush went AWOL. Nobody convicted him of a crime, but..... we know what happened, don't we? And, when he said there WMD in Iraq. He didn't "lie" right? He was just mistaken?

piscator wrote: when all it is is stark evidence of your partisanship and willingness to swallow whatever koolaid you have to to protect your fanboy ideology. You'd be hacking away at anyone the Democratic Party nominated.
I can tell you, bro. You come across as far more religiously dedicated to Hillary than I do as to Trump. LOL. You won't even look at the evidence. You won't even acknowledge the absolutely proven lies. You don't even care. Then you post an article that implies Trump is in bed with the mob, and that article contains exactly zero proof. Just innuendo. Trump hired a company to refurbish some Caddillacs and that company was run by convicted felons. Trump built buildings in NY and NJ and dealt with unions who were at least in part infiltrated with mob guys. Wow. Trump must be in the mob. He must be a Wiseguy.

Got any more evidence? I heard he talked to someone who claimed to have been abducted by aliens. Trump must believe in alien visitations.
piscator wrote: America has never had a candidate for POTUS so closely tied to the Mob as Trump.
LOL. John F. Kennedy? His father Joe Kennedy was bootlegger during prohibition, which is where most of the Kennedy money came from. And, the mob helped him get elected by rigging voting in Illinois. Joe Kennedy had ties to Sam Giancana, one of the most infamous organized crime family heads in all of mob history, in relation to bootlegging. Giancana is said to have helped Kennedy win the then-important West Virginia primary against Hubert Humphrey. JFK and Sam Giancana shared a mistress, Judith Exner, who set up meetings and sit-downs between Kennedy and Giancana.

But, Trump built buildings in NY and NJ using union cement companies, so, you know. He's tied to the mob closely. And, you know, the auto body shop that modified his Cadillacs were run by previously convicted felons, so Trump must have been tied to to the mob.
piscator wrote: Trump didn't just buy concrete from the Mob, he enabled and facilitated them at every opportunity, because he's in their pocket. .
LOL. Riiiigghhhht.... we know that, even though the article you linked to didn't state or prove that, at all. We know it by innuendo.
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Post by Forty Two » Wed May 25, 2016 1:13 pm

If you want to make people want to vote for Trump, here's how to do it - - http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/25/activ ... lly-video/

Would it be hate speech to burn the Mexican flag in protest?
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Post by Tyrannical » Wed May 25, 2016 2:08 pm

The mob controlled the construction labor unions, liquid concrete, and trash pickup. That means every single politician in NYC did business with the mob from the mayor down to whatever the lowest of the low elected peons were called.
Now Governor Tyrannical would declare organized crime as insurrection and just use the national guard to fight them as in an actual war.
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Post by piscator » Wed May 25, 2016 5:55 pm

Forty Two wrote:
piscator wrote:
Forty Two wrote:So? She's still a lying piece of shit.

Sorry bro, I didn't get past the NYT link from 1994 about the Clintons claiming $100k in capital gains from commodities trading in their 1978 joint return.
Not surprised. Someone who is not interested in knowing the truth would definitely ignore the articles from huffpo, dailykos, Slate, politico, yahoo, and the varied, and left-leaning sources showing her to be a liar.
No bro, you showed accusations. Years later they're still accusations, because there's not enough evidence to substantiate them.


Don't be so small-handed. You know as well as I do that Hillary is going to be our next President.

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Post by piscator » Wed May 25, 2016 5:58 pm

Tyrannical wrote:The mob controlled the construction labor unions, liquid concrete, and trash pickup. That means every single politician in NYC did business with the mob from the mayor down to whatever the lowest of the low elected peons were called.
Now Governor Tyrannical would declare organized crime as Jews and just use the national guard to fight them as in an actual war.


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Post by Tyrannical » Thu May 26, 2016 12:55 am

Lol, you made me look back to see if I said jews.
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piscator wrote: Don't be so small-handed.
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