GOP Primaries/Caucuses Discussions, Jokes and Predictions

[Animavore]

But both Dems and Repubs hate him, so he must be good. There's no way he could be a dumb cunt and hated by the establishment.

You don't need to be good to be hated by the establishment, just to rock the establishment, and a rich, dumb cunt can do that.

It's like one of those Rodney Dangerfield movies for realsies.

[pErvinalia]

Isn't it?!

[Forty Two]

Who was that?

Doesn't matter now.

Well, there wasn't. The reason you won't say who you were referring to, is because you know once we look at specifics, instead of platitudes, your candidate example will be shown to be not be worth a damn.

Traditional, yes. Appropriate? LOL.

Well, yes. Far more so.

Evidence? Reason?

Should I hold my breath? You want a bought-and-paid for Wall Street hack, who lies pathologically, to be President? That's "appropriate?"

Which in many ways is a big problem.

Many disagree.

Well, it's got us here - where the US is teetering, balance of trade is unsustainable, jobs/industry are bleeding out, we are existing on an ephemeral economy based on bullshit.....

Not in the least - that's why the Establishment republicans are against him and that's why the conservative Republicans set up "hashtag nevertrump" -- he's not that kind of Republican. He isn't going to defund planned parenthood, or worry about making abortion illegal. He

Bullshit. he has said he is against Planned Parenthood and that there should be punishment for women who get abortions.

Wrong, he supported Planned Parenthood, stating it is an organization that has done a lot of good for women.

As President, his personal opinion on abortion doesn't matter, but the question was that if a person has an illegal abortion should there be punishment. In a civilized country like the United Kingdom, if an illegal abortion takes place, the woman and the doctors or others who helped in doing it can be criminally punished under the law, to this day. That means abortions after about 21 or so weeks (can't remember the exact number - maybe it's 24 weeks), unless certain conditions are met.

So, it's not as if suggesting that the law provide a criminal penalty for an illegal abortion is controversial. I mean, real, enlightened countries have such laws, not just the mean, evil, backward United States.

France, for example, has more restrictions than the US - so those restrictions are definitely enlightened ones, reasonably necessary in a civilized country -- http://www.blog.parisunraveled.com/can- ... in-france/ After 21 weeks, abortion is illegal, and a criminal offense in France.

He isn't going to worry about social issues much at all.

Which is a major cause for concern.

Not if you want the President to stick to his job and handle his role as Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, and the chief foreign policy officer, as well as the chief federal law enforcement officer with the obligation to secure the borders and enforce immigration law, and to run the executive agencies, as well as spearhead national policy on trade and the economy.

If you want the president to be deeply involved in what bathroom people piss in, then you have different priorities, which is fine, but they certainly aren't what the law and Constitution sets forth as part of the President's job.

He is into business, trade and economics, law enforcement and national defense - in other words, the main jobs of the President of the United States.

And doesn't know fuck all about the last two as far as I can make out, and the first two are doubtable too given his failed ventures and bankruptcies.

Fuck all is at least as much as Hillary Clinton knows about law enforcement and national defense. He has had some failed ventures, arguably, I guess, but he's made billions. Having a failed venture is not something to be ashamed of. It's something to be proud of. That's the difference between someone who knows what it's like to take a risk and try something, and those folks who just finger point and hold their hands out. And, his bankruptcies were corporate reorganizations - very common in the US, and again, nothing to be ashamed of. It's part of the law, and doesn't imply failure. Citigroup recently went through bankruptcy, as have other banks and finance companies. Many businesses do so. It's not a sign of failure.

Hillary clinton, of course, hasn't ventured anything, so of course she has no examples of "failed ventures." Nothing ventured, nothing gained, they say - except, in politics, where she lives off the tit of massive donations from organizations buying influence with her.

[Forty Two]

But both Dems and Repubs hate him, so he must be good. There's no way he could be a dumb cunt and hated by the establishment.

He could be. But, being a dumb cunt is par for the course in American politics. Dumb cuntery would put him right in line with the rest of the Democrat and Republican field. I will grant Bernie Sanders as not "dumb" per se, but he is a flaming cunt.

With regard to almost ever other major political figure in the US, however, Trump could not possibly be much dumber than they, and certainly not any more cuntish.

The fact that he threatens their gravy trains, the lobbying and consultant class, is a huge point in Trump's favor.

[Animavore]

Well, there wasn't. The reason you won't say who you were referring to, is because you know once we look at specifics, instead of platitudes, your candidate example will be shown to be not be worth a damn.

It's because it's beside the point now.

Evidence? Reason?

Should I hold my breath? You want a bought-and-paid for Wall Street hack, who lies pathologically, to be President? That's "appropriate?"

I want the Democrats to remain in power. That's more appropriate. Trump also lies pathologically. Remember these are arguments over who is the best of a bad bunch, not over who of the bunch is worthy.

Well, it's got us here - where the US is teetering, balance of trade is unsustainable, jobs/industry are bleeding out, we are existing on an ephemeral economy based on bullshit.....

Lol! Since when?

Wrong, he supported Planned Parenthood, stating it is an organization that has done a lot of good for women.

I literally posted a video on the previous page which shows him saying there should be punishment for women who have abortions.

Not if you want the President to stick to his job and handle his role as Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, and the chief foreign policy officer, as well as the chief federal law enforcement officer with the obligation to secure the borders and enforce immigration law, and to run the executive agencies, as well as spearhead national policy on trade and the economy.

If you want the president to be deeply involved in what bathroom people piss in, then you have different priorities, which is fine, but they certainly aren't what the law and Constitution sets forth as part of the President's job.

Where did I say anything about a President who cares what we do in our homes? And the person I might want for President could be the type who goes above and beyond the job description laid out in the Constitution.

Fuck all is at least as much as Hillary Clinton knows about law enforcement and national defense.

How do you come to that conclusion?

...but he's made billions.

Less than he would've made putting his daddy's money into a trust fund and doing nothing.

[Animavore]

Drumpf on Planned Parenthood.

The organization has done “very good work for millions of women,” he said Tuesday night to a Palm Beach crowd. "I've had thousands of letters from women that have been helped.”

Drumpf has praised Planned Parenthood for providing birth control and paths to breast cancer screenings. But, he said, it should receive no federal dollars.

"We're not going to allow, and we're not going to fund, as long as you have the abortion going on at Planned Parenthood,” Drumpf said. “We understand that, and I've said it loud and clear."

So he praises it but also plans to block funding.

[Forty Two]

Drumpf on Planned Parenthood.

The organization has done “very good work for millions of women,” he said Tuesday night to a Palm Beach crowd. "I've had thousands of letters from women that have been helped.”

Drumpf has praised Planned Parenthood for providing birth control and paths to breast cancer screenings. But, he said, it should receive no federal dollars.

"We're not going to allow, and we're not going to fund, as long as you have the abortion going on at Planned Parenthood,” Drumpf said. “We understand that, and I've said it loud and clear."

So he praises it but also plans to block funding.

Sure, but you have to listen to what he says with some degree of care:

Trump continued, “I would look at the good aspects of [Planned Parenthood], and I would also look, because I’m sure they do some things properly and good and that are good for women, and I would look at that, and I would look at other aspects also. But we have to take care of women.” In other words Trump is open to a status quo many conservatives find unacceptable and immoral; also a typical federal government shell game to skirt around the law. If you give Planned Parenthood money for these so-called “other things,” the abortion provider can shift money from those “other things” to abortion. - See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/comm ... L0G9H.dpuf

What he's saying is that he doesn't want taxpayer money to fund abortions, but he would fund the other things planned parenthood does. Sounds fairly fair.

And, in the end, it won't be the President's decision on what to fund or not to fund. It's a Congressional decision. So, again, these are questions about things that aren't the President's job. It's like asking the President what he thinks of gay marriage. It doesn't fucking matter - he may hate it, but it's not part of his job.

[Animavore]

What he's saying is that he doesn't want taxpayer money to fund abortions, but he would fund the other things planned parenthood does. Sounds fairly fair.

No it doesn't. Planned Parenthood operate within the law with regards abortion. As mentioned in the article I quoted but forgot to link. I mean you're linking an article by a group called "Conservative Review" who I've never heard of and don't sound very impartial.

Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... arenthood/

That’s where Trump’s Planned Parenthood message hits a logical snare. Under federal law, not a penny of government money can be used to cover abortion — except in cases of rape, incest and life-threatening pregnancies.

Planned Parenthood says it complies with that rule.

[Forty Two]

What he's saying is that he doesn't want taxpayer money to fund abortions, but he would fund the other things planned parenthood does. Sounds fairly fair.

No it doesn't. Planned Parenthood operate within the law with regards abortion.

So? Operating within the law doesn't mean your services are federally funded.

As mentioned in the article I quoted but forgot to link. I mean you're linking an article by a group called "Conservative Review" who I've never heard of and don't sound very impartial.

They quoted him, and they are CRITICIZING him for his support of Planned Parenthood. In other words, it's an example of where Trump is advancing opinions at odds with Conservative Republicans. Like on free trade, he is advancing a non-conservative view. like on transgender bathrooms -- non-conservative view.

Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... arenthood/

That’s where Trump’s Planned Parenthood message hits a logical snare. Under federal law, not a penny of government money can be used to cover abortion — except in cases of rape, incest and life-threatening pregnancies.

Planned Parenthood says it complies with that rule.

Then there isn't a problem is there? All Trump says is that he doesn't want to fund abortions. If Planned Parenthood is not spending government money on abortions, then that's all Trump has said he is in favor of. conservatives want to defund it altogether. Trump doesn't.

Funny...if funding abortions was so important, and if the President actually controlled the purse strings, then why -- under an Obama Administration, did he never fund abortions at Planned Parenthood? During his first couple of years, he had a Democrat controlled House and Senate too. Still no funding for abortions. Repeat -- the Democrats had Obama in the white house, and majorities in the House of Representatives and the Senate for about 2 years. They did not change the law about not funding abortions at Planned Parenthood.

And, not wanting to fund abortions is for some reason a strike against Trump? Isn't that interesting. Like the "disavow" bullshit -- it's just holding Trump to a different standard -- get him answering questions on abortion and he'll give us soundbites that sound bad. Keep asking him to "disavow" the KKK, because if you ask him enough to disavow, it sends a message that he is guilty of something that needs to be denied.

Again - this kind of thing is what gets a lot of people to support him.

[Tyrannical]

Trump is the most liberal progressive Republican there ever has been. Trump is only guilty of wanting to enforce already existing immigration laws.

[Forty Two]

Well, there wasn't. The reason you won't say who you were referring to, is because you know once we look at specifics, instead of platitudes, your candidate example will be shown to be not be worth a damn.

It's because it's beside the point now.

Not, actually. It is the point. There wasn't a better choice.

Evidence? Reason?

Should I hold my breath? You want a bought-and-paid for Wall Street hack, who lies pathologically, to be President? That's "appropriate?"

I want the Democrats to remain in power. That's more appropriate. Trump also lies pathologically. Remember these are arguments over who is the best of a bad bunch, not over who of the bunch is worthy.

Trump lies pathologically? Let's see the list of examples, then...

And, Democrats remaining in power put us where we are today. The Democrats aren't going to fix the balance of trade, and they are not going to get us away from the neocon foreign policy. Especially Hillary -- she is a neocon hawk. Trump is a peacenik compared to Hillary.

Well, it's got us here - where the US is teetering, balance of trade is unsustainable, jobs/industry are bleeding out, we are existing on an ephemeral economy based on bullshit.....

Lol! Since when?

Decades of decline.

Wrong, he supported Planned Parenthood, stating it is an organization that has done a lot of good for women.

I literally posted a video on the previous page which shows him saying there should be punishment for women who have abortions.

Punished for having illegal abortions. ILLEGAL abortions. Almost no country on Earth has all abortion legal. The civilized countries of the western industrialized world tend to have limits. Thereafter, the law provides criminal penalties. Trump's position is perfectly reasonable, and in line with the law in countries like the UK and France.

Not if you want the President to stick to his job and handle his role as Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, and the chief foreign policy officer, as well as the chief federal law enforcement officer with the obligation to secure the borders and enforce immigration law, and to run the executive agencies, as well as spearhead national policy on trade and the economy.

If you want the president to be deeply involved in what bathroom people piss in, then you have different priorities, which is fine, but they certainly aren't what the law and Constitution sets forth as part of the President's job.

Where did I say anything about a President who cares what we do in our homes? And the person I might want for President could be the type who goes above and beyond the job description laid out in the Constitution.

Well, that would be a lawless person, who has no problem exceeding his or her legal authority. If that's what you want, Hillary is your woman!

Fuck all is at least as much as Hillary Clinton knows about law enforcement and national defense.

How do you come to that conclusion?

Track records of both candidates.

...but he's made billions.

Less than he would've made putting his daddy's money into a trust fund and doing nothing.

Unsubstantiated nonsense. A trust fund requires a trustee to handle investments. Investments entail risk. There is no guarantee that trust fund investments would have been lucrative.

[Animavore]

Yeah, look, I'm beyond caring. Vote Trump, we'll see what happens. It should be good for a laugh if nothing else. At least you can't claim no one (not talking about me here) warned you.

[Forty Two]

Yeah, look, I'm beyond caring. Vote Trump, we'll see what happens. It should be good for a laugh if nothing else. At least you can't claim no one (not talking about me here) warned you.

Can't be worse than a Hillary Clinton Presidency, and battlefield nukes, continued increased foreign interventions, continued increased drone activity, continued increased NSA surveillance and snooping, etc. Hillary is in favor of interfering with internal Iranian politics to "assist the Iranian people" in taking action against the Iranian government. http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/28/hil ... on-neocon/

[Animavore]

Yeah, look, I'm beyond caring. Vote Trump, we'll see what happens. It should be good for a laugh if nothing else. At least you can't claim no one (not talking about me here) warned you.

Can't be worse than a Hillary Clinton Presidency, and battlefield nukes, continued increased foreign interventions, continued increased drone activity, continued increased NSA surveillance and snooping, etc. Hillary is in favor of interfering with internal Iranian politics to "assist the Iranian people" in taking action against the Iranian government. http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/28/hil ... on-neocon/

Can't be much better. You might be fucked either way.

[Forty Two]

Quite possibly, but if we're fucked either way, at least if the establishment party leaders get fucked too, we can all enjoy a bit of schadenfreud.

If I see another party leader, like a George Bush or John Boehner getting all sanctimonious about how Trump is this or Trump is that, and we need a standard, blessed-by-the-establishment candidate to do right by the Merkin people, I'm going to puke. We the People do not trust these fucks anymore. But, they aren't going to change until the issue is brought to their doorstep and their power and money are threatened.