Racism about islam can't exist: islam isn't a race: Poll

[pErvinalia]

I wish others would be like you in terms of mod decisions, and in the words of the Aussie vernacular, "cop it sweet"...

Listening, rEv?

[pErvinalia]

I still didn't get my apology ....

I'm sorry, bro.

[JimC]

rEvolutionist wrote:

I agree with this 100%. But one thing to keep in mind is that children are indoctrinated into this stuff, so by the time they get to adulthood it's perhaps a little too simplistic to say that a Muslim's sense of Islam is simply a set of ideas. It's also become part of their identity, via the indoctrination. So we need to tread a little carefully and recognise it's not always a case of someone just ditching a set of bad ideas when presented with the evidence for their badness. This is the perniciousness of religion, as it's based on "faith" and evidence never plays a part. So it's hard to use evidence as an argument against a faith position.

[Feck]

Yes Most muslims cannot read the quran (large amounts of it are untranslatable even by Arabic speakers ) and only get a seriously edited version of the hadith My problem is that The A+ types would never excuse christians from knowing that whole chapters of exodus inform christians as to the correct way to beat slaves but are happy to to call racism when the same rules are applied to Islam This is actually racism ! most muslims have brown skins so we cannot comment on an evil religion ?
"You are a a racist " does NOT stop debate ESPECIALLY as slavery is one of the reasons All white skinned people must be eternally guilty . For the A+ people to castigate anyone who says that islam is the sexist cult of arab slavers is a fucking sad joke .
I'm happy to debate islam with anyone who knows even a little about it but To say most muslims have brown skins and there seek to halt all informed comment about the evil cult on the grounds of racism is symptomatic of the whole "progressive" A+ mentality .
or should we call Ayaan Hirsi Ali a racist should we call those apostates living in fear but still posting and telling us about Islam racists ?
i'd like a reply rather than some excuse . I'd like an ABJECT apology (not from you Rev ) too but i'll not lose sleep over that.
rEv When have atheists ever praised christians for not knowing what their holy books actually say what you are saying is that most muslims DESPITE the horrors of their religious texts manage to be decent human beings ? Yeah lets praise the religious of all stripes for actually Not following their religion . Back to my Godwin Is it ok to say that Hitler was the best of men because you can say he loved his dog ? you want to cherry -pick islam and say that most muslims don't actually know or follow their religion then you have a big problem you just discounted the lives of every victim of honour killing , you justified slavery, forced marriages of children, and female circumcision. The apostates around the world being beaten and killed as we speak as all discounted, they mean NOTHING ! if all criticism of Islam can be labelled as Racism .
If telling the truth about Islam is racism then I'll be happy to embrace that I'll even get the tattoo.

[Feck]

" Alternatively, it seems, notions that live by irrationality die by irrationality."
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[pErvinalia]

The point is, it's too simplistic calling religionists "apologists for rape, slavery and paedophilia". The extremists of most religions are like that. But the extremists are a small part of most religions. As I said, I think the main problem is theocratic dictatorships. I don't know whether Islam lends itself to that form of governance (it might; I haven't thought about it too much) more so than say Christianity.

[JimC]

" Alternatively, it seems, notions that live by irrationality die by irrationality."
Forum rules prevent me from replying to that comment

You can say, quite rightly, that it is a fucking stupid comment!

[pErvinalia]

Not to Exi, because you'll be raping his neurons.

[Feck]

Islam can ONLY be a theocratic dictatorship that is islam's stated aim ! but yes we: can, do and should treat all religions (all creeds, in fact) by the actions of their most fervent followers , assuming that they can justify their actions verse for verse word for word ,from their holy books because Isis and Saudi Barbaria can [with one exception]
If a religion is fundamentally peaceful it's fundamentalists should be MOST peaceful .... (oh and just while i mention it you often hear muslims telling you that the word 'Islam' means peace it doesn't The best single word translation is 'submission ' )

[pErvinalia]

That doesn't explain the Buddhists slaughtering Muslims in Myanmar. Unless you are suggesting that Buddhism isn't generally a peaceful religion.

[JimC]

I am prepared to give the majority of muslims in Oz who do not treat their religion too seriously the benefit of the doubt, although, given that radicalised individuals keep bubbling up from their midst and doing nasty things, they have to simply accept a greater degree of surveillance by authorities on their communities and mosques...

The ones that simply want to get on with their own lives, and accept that they are living in a pluralist, secular society can be treated to the same degree as methodists, catholics or calathumpians...

[Feck]

That doesn't explain the Buddhists slaughtering Muslims in Myanmar. Unless you are suggesting that Buddhism isn't generally a peaceful religion.

And what chapter and verse of 'Buddhism' can they quote to justify their actions, which Buddha killed people or drove families from their homes ? as i've said fundamentalist muslims can give many verses that show thier hero Mohammed behaving like them

[pErvinalia]

No, you were saying that a peaceful religion breeds very peaceful extremists. Not the case with Buddhists in Myanmar.

[Exi5tentialist]

I notice that you seem to defend slavery, murder, torture pedophilia as " freedom of religion " <snip>

Well if you think that lumping something done by one group of muslims in together with something abhored by another group of muslims and then attributing it to all of them is sustainable then of course you've got a point. But then the principle of visiting the sins of one group on another would need to apply to everyone committing an atrocity and not just muslims, eg the British act of invading Iraq would make every Briton a war criminal, which I don't agree with. Some British people are war criminals because of that atrocity, not all of them.

[Exi5tentialist]

Islam can ONLY be a theocratic dictatorship that is islam's stated aim

There's no such aim attributable to "Islam"