Racism about islam can't exist: islam isn't a race: Poll

[Forty Two]

ah ! 'feminists' that defend the niqab .... I guess they are happy to defend female circumcision too ? Well i mean it is a cultural thing mostly practiced by Brown skinned people and OBVIOUSLY If I object It is because I@M A RACIST ??????
I don't think Ex5stentialist knows ANYTHING about Islam I would recommend he talks to some apostates !

It seems like the atheist movement has changed in the last 5 years or so, and I think it's the influence of Progressive feminist wingnuts and other SJW types.

It used to be that atheists were fighting for the right to ridicule religion, and the Four Horsemen used to point out that for so long religion had this privileged place in society that it was free from criticism and ridicule. Atheists used to overwhelmingly cheer the tearing down of the protections afforded religions in our culture. A countermovement seems to have taken hold, though, which seems to place some religions in the oppressed classes.

[Feck]

Sadly 42 you are right If you think Aztecs cutting out hearts was a bad thing you ARE a racist
Of course the fuckers want to tell you that Musilm women wear the Hijab because they Love their " culture" What they don't want to say is that they are told from an early age that girls who show their hair deserve to get raped murdered and in Hell they are hung by their Hair ! They don't want to tell you Mohammed called Black Africans ' Raisin -Heads ' In fact The A+ ,'Progressive' cultural apologists don't ever tell the truth !
Slavery is a stick they want to beat me with because of my race but Mention slavery in Islam mention genocide in 'india' mention mountains of skulls or any of the atrocities DIRECTLY caused by Islam and you are a racist .
Facts don't matter history does not matter TRUTH DOES NOT MATTER !
I've given up being angry at being called a racist because i'm an anti-theist but make no mistake i'm happy to show what illiterate blinkered fools those who do are .
But I doubt I will get the satisfaction of a proper argument from our resident clown Ex5stentialist since he's a true racist and cannot see beyond skin colour

[Feck]

PS I can get ANY muslim to lie in less than 4 questions (6 if they insist they are quran ONLY muslims ) what makes The PC, A+ , Progressive clowns think they can defend the indefensible ?
and why is it that suddenly no 'atheist' wants to tell me what a wonderful religion and culture Islam is ?

[JimC]

Islam doesn't meet the racists definition of "race". So it can't be racism. But it can be xenophobia/bigotry.

Definitely correct. Xenophobia is the irrational dislike of foreigners, and bigotry is intolerance towards different ideas. One can even be bigoted against bigotry. Weird.

I don't like Islam, but I'm not a bigot. I'm not "intolerant" of Muslims. I'm extremely tolerant.

I'm not Islamaphobic because my dislike of Islam is not "irrational." I am not Muslimphobic, though.

I better way to address this Islamaphobia nonsense is not to declare that Islam is not a race. Rather, simply declare that Islam is a set of ideas and dogmas. Like a philosophy, it's not "phobic" to argue against, criticize, and even ridicule ideas we think are bad. The perniciousness of the term Islamaphobia is that the concept can be used to create other victim groups -- like Republiphobia for the dislike of Republicans. The fact that a set of beliefs calls itself a religion is not a feature that makes it worthy of protection.

Islam is a creed (deen) It is also a personality cult based on the (alleged) life of a dishonest ,murderous, vain glorious Paedophile " Mohammed " {PISS ON HIS EVIL NAME }He was a failed trader turned leader of a gang of thieves rapists and slavers .
To say that If I call out people who claim He was the" BEST OF MEN " makes me a racist is farcical .
I would suggest that ANYONE who claims being DISGUSTED by the teachings, the root and Branch of ISLAM is RACISM should actually try reading the Quran and the Hadith ...
I would like a reply from everyone who(forgot they are atheists) and voted to call me a racist !
Maybe all the atheism you are capable of is objecting to nativity scenes on public property, maybe you think that is important but as an atheist being outspoken against the disgusting RELIGION of Islam is my DUTY .
Islamaphobic that would mean I'm 'irrationally ' against slavery, torture, theft, murder and The rape of CRYING CONFUSED 9 YEAR OLD CHILDREN ?
Learn something about Islam before you call people racists !

One of these days, Feck, you'll tell us what you really think of Islam...

[Forty Two]

It never ceases to amaze me the number of atheists that will rail against the misogyny, hate and stupidity of Christians, but if someone says "islam is the motherload of bad ideas..." you'll get the knee-jerk mantra of "not all Muslims" and "Islam is a broad and varied religion so you can't lump it all together...." etc. etc....

If you want to say you don't like Islam, you always have to couch it in palliative terms by making sure you confirm that it isn't worse than any other religion, and that all religions are bad, etc.

[Exi5tentialist]

It never ceases to amaze me the number of atheists that will rail against the misogyny, hate and stupidity of Christians, but if someone says "islam is the motherload of bad ideas..." you'll get the knee-jerk mantra of "not all Muslims" and "Islam is a broad and varied religion so you can't lump it all together...." etc. etc....

If you want to say you don't like Islam, you always have to couch it in palliative terms by making sure you confirm that it isn't worse than any other religion, and that all religions are bad, etc.

In the West, Islamophobia is more pernicious and more dangerous to muslims that Christian-phobia is to Christians.

Anyway, where can I meet these atheists? I'd like an introduction.

[Forty Two]

So, there is Christianaphobia, too, you just don't think it hurts. So, is it Christianaphobia for me to say that Christianity is the motherload of bad ideas? What if I say that Christianity is a load of misogynistic, homophobic nonsense, and a bunch of fairy tales, and that Jesus was either a fake or never existed? Christianaphobe?

[Exi5tentialist]

So, there is Christianaphobia, too, you just don't think it hurts. So, is it Christianaphobia for me to say that Christianity is the motherload of bad ideas? What if I say that Christianity is a load of misogynistic, homophobic nonsense, and a bunch of fairy tales, and that Jesus was either a fake or never existed? Christianaphobe?

It hurts but it's not as damaging or dangerous, because Christianity is already in a strong position in the West.

Saying Christianity is homophobic is too much of a generalisation when whole LGBT churches exist. It missesthe target. "Homophobic nonsense" includes making stupid jokes about gay people as a tactic against dissent but that happens at Rationalia anyway, and Rationalia isn't Christian, or is it? Of course you can say "it's a bunch of fairy tales" but probably not to a bereaved person who's benefiting from emotional support from a Christian. I agree Jesus was either a fake or never existed but I wouldn't use that as a way of generalising about the badness of all Christians or as a shoe-in to generalising about Islam. There are more versions of Christianity and more versions of Islam than just one.

Genralisations, generally, are just a bad thing so none of the examples you give can be answered very directly, it all depends on the exact circumstances. But it is undeniable that in the West the exact circumstances are that Christianity is in a privileged position compared to Islam. To deny that is to be open to bigotry.

My use of the term "Christian-phobia" was illustrative. I'm not bound to it or any variation of the spelling of it.

[Feck]

One of these day Jim you might want to argue point by point surah by surah or hadith by hadith about what the holy literature of Islam ACTUALLY SAYS ....
Until then I guess it's ok to claim that any atheist who states that ISLAM IS EVIL IS A RACIST ? i'm waiting for the version of Islam that Exi5tentialist seems to think is worthwhile ..the one where slavery is forbidden the one that does not castigate unbelievers the one that states women are not property and that people can NEVER BE SLAVES????
Sorry Exi5tentialist but you know FUCK ALL about ISLAM and guess what ........If you make the claim that MY problem with islam is because of brown skins then you have just earned yourself a world of shit Because your racism is blatant and sickening
"more versions of Islam than just one." LOLOLOMAO RETARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Svartalf]

Actually, there ARE several versions of islam... they just tend to agree on all the wrong points (except sufism, but sufism is an aberration in the islamis world)

[Feck]

Actually, there ARE several versions of islam... they just tend to agree on all the wrong points (except sufism, but sufism is an aberration in the islamis world)

I doubt that anyone who claims any opposition to islam is racism knows anything about the Suffi, Actually The sort of moon-faced retard that claims all comment on Islam is racism does not even know why the adherents of 'peace' have been killing each other for 1400 years but He will tell us that Islam means peace and that white people must feel guilty ..for slavery.........
LOL He just does not want to come out and play He's happy to call people racists but not happy to admit HE KNOWS FUCK ALL......

[devogue]

Islam doesn't meet the racists definition of "race". So it can't be racism. But it can be xenophobia/bigotry.

Definitely correct. Xenophobia is the irrational dislike of foreigners, and bigotry is intolerance towards different ideas. One can even be bigoted against bigotry. Weird.

I don't like Islam, but I'm not a bigot. I'm not "intolerant" of Muslims. I'm extremely tolerant.

I'm not Islamaphobic because my dislike of Islam is not "irrational." I am not Muslimphobic, though.

I better way to address this Islamaphobia nonsense is not to declare that Islam is not a race. Rather, simply declare that Islam is a set of ideas and dogmas. Like a philosophy, it's not "phobic" to argue against, criticize, and even ridicule ideas we think are bad. The perniciousness of the term Islamaphobia is that the concept can be used to create other victim groups -- like Republiphobia for the dislike of Republicans. The fact that a set of beliefs calls itself a religion is not a feature that makes it worthy of protection.

Beautifully put.

[Brian Peacock]

It never ceases to amaze me the number of atheists that will rail against the misogyny, hate and stupidity of Christians, but if someone says "islam is the motherload of bad ideas..." you'll get the knee-jerk mantra of "not all Muslims" and "Islam is a broad and varied religion so you can't lump it all together...." etc. etc....

If you want to say you don't like Islam, you always have to couch it in palliative terms by making sure you confirm that it isn't worse than any other religion, and that all religions are bad, etc.

In the West, Islamophobia is more pernicious and more dangerous to muslims that Christian-phobia is to Christians.

Anyway, where can I meet these atheists? I'd like an introduction.

Criticism of Islam isn't Islamaphobia. Categorising all Muslisms as being of a certain or particular type probably is. It's mostly clerics and the fervent who confuse the former with the latter, in the same way that most religious authorities tend to misrepresent Secularism as being fundamentally anti-religious.

[Feck]

Yes Brian, god forbid atheists actually say there is anything wrong with religion in the case of islam it is obvious that ANYONE who says that slavery, torture,banditry , child abuse or running a protection racket is wrong must be a racist .

[piscator]

And for the record, "Phobia" usually means 'Irrational fear of'


A phobia is an overwhelming and unreasonable fear of an object or situation that poses little real danger but provokes anxiety and avoidance.