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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by piscator » Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:38 am

Right after you take a lap for cunting up another good thread. Wear your clown shoes all the way around this time.

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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by piscator » Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:57 am

Is that some clever Ozzie slang for, "I'm an idiot. Please stomp my fucking head."?

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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:02 am

Drop the tough guy routine and address your argument problems. You can't hold both positions regarding Powell and the "evidence", just the same as you can't hold the position that the Bundy's aren't domestic terrorists and then post a definition that directly contradicts you. Just the same as you can't hold that the police enforcing the law in regards to the Bundy's is "wrong". Just the same as you can't use a tu quoque fallacy 48 times to get out of owning your own ridiculous beliefs. Start debating like an intelligent adult, or be reduced to a person who actively CHOSE to be more like Seth than less like him, and suffer the same fate as Seth - that is, no one will take anything you say with any respect or authority.
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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:45 pm

Seth wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Seth wrote:
Hermit wrote:FFS, just look at the "before" and "after" of it. Before the invasion the Iraqi oil industry was government owned and controlled, and just about all the fuel extracted was consumed inside that nation. After the invasion two American companies share the $150 billion drilling and exploration contracts. One of them, to nobody's surprise, is Halliburton. It gets half of those contracts. Also, the Iraqi oil industry is now controlled by Exxon, Chevron, etc, and 80% of the fuel gets exported.
And that's a problem how, exactly?
Please locate the point at which I said it was a problem. I was rather careful not to say whether it's a problem or not. All I have done is to argue that the control of Iraq's oil reserves was a huge factor in deciding to invade the nation.
Well, if that's all you are arguing then my response is, "So what?"
You seem to have forgotten why the issue of oil was raised. Can you recall the reason for it all on your own, or do you need some hand-holding with the endeavour?
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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:56 pm

piscator wrote:
Hermit wrote:FFS, just look at the "before" and "after" of it. Before the invasion the Iraqi oil industry was government owned and controlled, and just about all the fuel extracted was consumed inside that nation. After the invasion two American companies share the $150 billion drilling and exploration contracts. One of them, to nobody's surprise, is Halliburton. It gets half of those contracts. Also, the Iraqi oil industry is now controlled by Exxon, Chevron, etc, and 80% of the fuel gets exported.
Why are you starting with the assumption that "Nationalized" [read: "Saddam-owned" in Iraq] is the best case, and all other outcomes are inferior for Iraq?
Where did I say or imply that? You too seem to have forgotten why the issue of oil was raised. Can you recall the reason for it all on your own, or do you need some hand-holding with the endeavour as well?
piscator wrote:...which you later described as an ad hom.
Where did I describe what as an ad hom?
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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:57 pm

I know the answer: Both Seth and his buddy claimed oil had nothing to do with it, then when that line of "argument" fell apart they decided to go with the "duh, I knew it all along" line. I'm not sure if there is an official fallacy for that. In honour of Seth's habit of inventing fallacies, I'm going to call it the "I can't form a coherent argument" fallacy.
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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by Forty Two » Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:04 pm

Hermit wrote:
Seth wrote:Your implication is that we went to war for the oil in Iraq, and for no other reason
I did not address the issue concerning other reasons at all. My claim was that the invasion was about the oil, and I quoted statements made to that effect by people who are very well qualified to comment on that. Your turn.
The thing that I have trouble reconciling is that the US was very much in favor of the oil sanctions on Iraq, which prohibited trading with Iraq for oil, other than for "oil for food". Saddam Hussein was more than willing to sell the oil at low prices just to get it flowing free from sanctions again. It would seem to me to be far better for the US to have simply opened up the spigot from Iraq again, rather than invade. Moreover, the US doesn't own the oil now. So, when it is said that the US went there to steal the oil, or something like that, it seems the US is a rather poor thief.

And, if the US went there for oil, is that why the UK went too? Or did the UK have other reasons?
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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:54 pm

Forty Two wrote:And, if the US went there for oil, is that why the UK went too? Or did the UK have other reasons?
Silly question. Every American knows that the United Kingdom owes its very existence to US aid in WWII. In short, the UK owes. Here was an opportunity to make another part repayment on its eternal debt. Think of the US as the world's Sheriff and the UK as its trusty horse. That makes Australia the Sheriff's horse's dog.

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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:08 pm

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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by Forty Two » Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:24 pm

Hermit wrote:
Forty Two wrote:And, if the US went there for oil, is that why the UK went too? Or did the UK have other reasons?
Silly question. Every American knows that the United Kingdom owes its very existence to US aid in WWII.
Very likely, but, that only sounds like arrogance when stated in a vacuum. The US and the UK owe their very existence to the aid and actions of the Soviet Union in WWII. The US may well owe its very existence to the actions of the UK in World War 2. The fact is, the German military in World War 2 was so fucking good, that it took the combined efforts of the United Kingdom (which owned about 1/4 of the world in 1939) and the British commonwealth of nations, the United States, the Soviet Union, and France to defeat the Germans. As late as June, 1944, there was significant uncertainty as to whether the allied powers would even win. The Germans were "that close" to pulling it off.

Had the Brits not held out as long as they did, the US may well never have been able to withstand a two front war with Germany and Japan. And, US efforts under Lend Lease and such did help the UK to survive. The same is true of the Soviets. Had they not done the heavy lifting of tearing the guts out of the German army, the rest of the allies may well have not been able to survivie. However, the Soviets likely would not have been able to withstand the Germans without UK and US support.

Hermit wrote: In short, the UK owes. Here was an opportunity to make another part repayment on its eternal debt. Think of the US as the world's Sheriff and the UK as its trusty horse. That makes Australia the Sheriff's horse's dog.
Oh. Almost forgot to add this: :P
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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:27 pm

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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by mistermack » Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:33 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:Hermit is a Kraut.
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